An interesting debate broke out last week between Gotham Baseball’s Mark Healey and Mets Police’s Shannon Shark. The question: whether to purchase Mets tickets in 2012 if you disagree with the path taken by Met ownership.
“The Mets? I love the Mets. My kids love the Mets. Most of my extended family loves the Mets. But the people that run the Mets have used up all of my patience, enthusiasm and trust. I can no longer support their efforts with my wallet because I do not believe that they have the interests of the New York Mets first and foremost in their minds.
“Is that fair? Do I have no compassion for their financial and personal situations? Of course I do. But having empathy for their situation is one thing. Enabling their ability to cling to the New York Mets is something else. They are a bad ownership group, it’s as simple as that. Now their past failings have not only created a serious crisis of confidence among their fanbase, tyhere is a growing number of people who are (finally) starting to realize that the Mets and MLB’s relationship is a little too cozy to be ignored.”
In reply, Shark writes:
“But I’m telling you right here and now that if you sit out a few seasons and then show up with 100 wins show up then I will call you a frontrunner. It’s OK if you want to be a frontrunner, just recognize that you’re a frontrunner. I’m a Mets fan. Sometimes being a Mets fan sucks, but it’s what makes us Mets fans…
“Back to the owner. His name is Jeff. He’s around my age. He’s going to be here for a long long time.
Why would he sell the baseball team? When you own a baseball team you’re somebody. You’re The Owner Of The Mets. That’s cool.
Wouldn’t you like to be The Owner Of The Mets? Why would you give that up?”
Both pieces are well worth your time. At the risk of being disagreeable, neither one lines up with my view of things.
Regarding Mark’s take, he is absolutely right that the fewer people that come to the ballpark, the less revenue the current ownership will receive, and that hypothetically, that could create a need to sell sooner. However, in practice, there are two things to remember.
One is that even if the Mets simply retain their current fans, they will lose massive amounts of money- $70 million in 2011 when they drew 2.34 million fans, $50 million in 2010 when they drew 2.56 million fans. In other words, even if they add around 200K in attendance this coming season- not taking into account the drops in price between 2010 and 2012- they aren’t coming close to making money on the New York Mets. And no one thinks the 2012 Mets will be adding attendance this coming season.
As someone who was part of the 2010 ticket buyers, and intends to be in 2012 as well, I am nothing more than the status quo.
The other point worth making is that the event that likely ends the Wilpon ownership of the Mets isn’t coming on the rounding error that is your ticket purchase. They owe $430 million in principal of a loan against the team, due back in 2014. They owe $450 million in principal of a loan against SNY, due back in 2015. They owe around $600 million, due in $25 million increments every six months, against Citi Field. And they have an unspecified judgment coming against them in the lawsuit filed by Irving Picard, trustee for the Bernie Madoff victims. That’s currently at $386 million, a number that is likely to rise on appeal.
In other words, it isn’t clear that selling out Citi Field from now until 2015 will be remotely close to enough to save them. And they clearly aren’t doing that anytime soon.
And that’s at the heart of why I disagree with Shannon’s piece as well. As I detailed in my forthcoming book, it isn’t that this ownership wants to sell. It’s that it likely doesn’t have any choice.
So the question becomes, what to do in the meantime?
For me, the answer involves plenty of trips to Citi Field with my family.
My wife is a baseball fan. My daughter, who will be two next year, loves baseball already. I don’t intend to keep myself from the pleasure of attending games with them over a principle that won’t actually affect the outcome of ownership change. Mark is right when he says that certain beliefs require sacrifice. Judge it however you like, fewer moments in a baseball stadium watching with my wife and daughter isn’t one I’m willing to make.
And the Mets, to their credit, have created a far better 15-game plan for fans. Back in Shea Stadium, my wife and I were Saturday Plan holders. That meant our same seats, Section 7, for all 13 Saturday games.
Seeing the chance to take advantage of fans desperate to see the Mets, the “Saturday Plan” changed in Citi Field. Suddenly, we received only 10 Saturdays. And we were forced to buy five weeknight games, usually during the school year, that were of little use to us.
Well, times have changed. Part of it is a decline in demand, to be sure. But new Vice President of Ticket Sales and Services Leigh Castergine has ushered in a very different experience. Starting today, the 15-game pack is as user-friendly as any plan that size in baseball. You pick the games. You pick the price points. Want all Saturdays? Done. Want some Saturdays, some Sundays, and a few Wednesdays? Done.
Is there still work to be done? Absolutely. But in her first year designing packages for fans, Leigh has taken the Mets from almost entirely unresponsive to extremely responsive. Cynics would note, correctly, that it took a crisis, cratering sales, and desperation to make this so. Certainly, that is likely a contributing factor to other fan-friendly measures, such as Banner Day’s return.
But we all know what the mother of invention is. And I, for one, am happy to see it, whatever the reason. My father was a Mets fan before the current ownership group even took control, and my daughter will be a Mets fan long after they’ve sold.
Ultimately, the hope is that these changes remain under new, eventually-capitalized ownership, providing Mets fans with the combination of winning team and fan-friendliness available down in Philadelphia. I recently purchased a six pack from the Phillies that offered the same flexibility as the 15-pack of the Mets, while providing the added benefit of choosing my own section and seats, not just a price point. I’ll get to see plenty of Mets games, and will likely partake in some Bull’s BBQ while I’m at it. The hope is that the Mets soon add that same technology. (The choose-your-section technology. They already have excellent BBQ.)
In the meantime, however, I’ll be there with my family. I won’t begrudge those who, like Mark, stay away out of principle, or the many other fans who aren’t frontrunners- they simply have many other places to spend their hard-earned money other than a baseball team that’s spending its own money on survival, not product.
And the reason that ownership won’t make money on its team next year is precisely that. There aren’t enough of the Mes or Shannon Sharks around for a baseball team to make a profit. If the past few seasons have taught the Mets anything, it is that. So I applaud Leigh’s efforts to make purchasing tickets as easy as possible, and wish her luck selling what is clearly, in the public’s mind, a devalued product. She can’t re-sign Jose Reyes. Being good to the fans that remain is her only play. And she’s certainly maxed it out so far.


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Section 7 on Saturdays? I was in that section on saturdays for a decade! I was Row B Seats 1,2,3,4. Where were you?
Congrats on the MetsBlog link and enjoy those 15 games at Citi
HaHaHaHaHa, that funny Ny Mets ticket. Yeah I gonna run to the computer and get me some tickets. How about when our Mets play Pittsburgh. Thats a game I can stick my teeth into. To watch our Mets have 3 errors, score 2 runs while giving up 6-10. heap that what we are looking at. The Mets will be the laughing stock of the National league this season.
Hi Paul,
I couldn’t remember, so I went back to my old emails. This was my progression- from Section 25 to Section 21 to Section 7 in 2008 (row H, seats 9-12, it appears), then 504 in 2009 and 508 in 2010-11.
Haven’t finalized my plan yet for 2012, actually- still waiting for a call back from my rep! Should be soon, I assume.
I have been a life long Mets fan & have been pretty successful at raising my children to be Mets fans as well. I have attended about 20-25 games per year for most of my life. My “Man Cave” is covered with Mets memorabilia (autographed jerseys, yearbooks, dirt from Shea’s warning track, etc. etc. etc.). While I have accepted the notion that Mets fans are made to endure consistent mediocrity, I am reaching my breaking point. It makes little sense to me, as a fan, to continue to show my loyalty, let alone spend my very hard earned money to a team whose ownership thinks so little about the product they put on the field and thinks even less about their fans. I have vowed to never again attend another Mets game if they lose Jose Reyes as this would be ultimate slap in the face to a fan. Along with David Wright, Jose is the face of the Mets. Reyes is the living definition of what I would love any Mets player to be….energetic, enthusiastic, passionate, fun loving, fiery. Instead of doing whatever it takes to attract stars to the Mets, they are doing what they can to keep even mediocre players from coming here. To the Wilpons I ask….whiel Madoff may have gotten some of your money, where are your balls?
I want to get ride of these crappy owners now. I also have fun going to the games with friends I may not see if I didn’t have my plan. I bought the 20 game pack and will enjoy the games.
Who the eff is Shannon Shark and why should we care if she calls anyone a frontrunner? Who the eff is she to label or judge anyone, as if her worthless opinion matters
Well done Howard. I also read Marks post and disagreed with his premise. Appears he is pulling the proverbial ‘cutting off his nose to spite his face’. Also had a problem with his last sentence; telling everyone they should be doing the same thing.
you enablers sicken me
....i can be a loyal fan and not want to pay new york prices for kansas city product…i suggest that we only buy tickets on stubhub, thru craigslist, etc…that way the mets dont really get our cash…i know…i am good at rationalizing…but calling anyone a frontrunner because they want their team to be successful is wrong…its cheaper to get comparable seats for a phillies game that a mets game…thats ridiculous…i love my team but the owners…not so much…
Some of you people act like there won’t be baseball games to go to if you put some pressure on the Wilpons by staying away from Citi Field.
There are plenty of minor league teams in the area. But I suspect it’s about supporting the Mets brand for some of you and not the game of baseball. So… Who’s the real frontrunner?
As for watching the Mets, there’s always SNY, Philly and Yankee Stadium.
^metskat I totally agree.
The Mets had the nerve to RAISE Spring Training ticket Prices For the 2012 season. They have been giving 2 for 1’s, kids go free, and even stooped as low as Groupon to give away tickets.
Well Met Brass, if you have been living under a rock, let me tell you some things. The economy is bad in FL!! You are puttiig out a very crappy product on the field, almost unwatchable. Why would you RAISE TICKET PRICES!!!!
I will not be buying Spring Training Season tickets from you (Have bought 2 each year), nor your 5 pack or 3 packs (Wrapping 3 other games in to get Skank tickets). I will buy my tickets at discounted rates throught Craigslist or from a fan at the day of the game.
Since the team is going to be worse than next year, I will sit on the berm and use my time well by getting a tan! I will not park in your lot but will walk one block for free. I would rather starve then buy any concessions from you!
If you expect fans to watch a bargain basement team you should be lowering prices, not raising them!
Fans should use Seatcrew to buy and sell their mets seats – no fees for either side, always free to use, and transparent “know who’s on the other end” transactions with reviewed and rated users. Every dollar saved could be another mets ticket bought, if things dont pick up quickly for the ‘tropolitans.
“One is that even if the Mets simply retain their current fans, they will lose massive amounts of money- $70 million in 2011 when they drew 2.34 million fans, $50 million in 2010 when they drew 2.56 million fans.”
I don’t know the ins-and-outs of baseball economics, so I’ll readily concede to those in the know, but I want to know why no one is asking this question:
WHY ARE THEY LOSING MONEY?
It’s accepted as an article of faith that the team’s struggles are depressing ticket sales. Fair enough.
Yet, despite the clouds hanging over the team, they’re still ranked in the middle of MLB for attendance. I think they were 13th this year. That, and they recently moved into a building that is supposed to generates higher revenues.
So, I ask again: why are they losing money?
Did the Wilpons’ business plans for CitiField count on the Mets winning 90 games every year? If so, How dumb is that?
So the team will be forever hamstrung until they start competing for October baseball? But they can’t start competing until the finances are straightened out?
What a terrible, self-fulfilling circle of failure.
Do the Wilpons possess any iota of management savvy or business sense? Why did they leverage this team to the hilt and bet on them chasing the post season every year?
Again, how dumb is this ownership?
I really hope there’s a better explanation, but I fear I’m right…