Mets Chat Room: Game #4 at Philly Edition.
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No surprise, it’s raining. Mets sure would hate to start this, go a few innings, and lose Pedro Martinez. Jerry Manuel said Martinez’s velocity is good, but his location is off.
Of course, the news isn’t encouraging on Ryan Church, and I don’t know anybody feeling positive about Moises Alou. They probably will have to make a deal by the deadline to add a bat, because what the have now isn’t good enough.
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JD – Not that this is the only answer, but is there any reason that Mets (and everyone else in baseball for that matter) won’t consider Kenny Lofton? Is he a clubhouse cancer or something? It seems to me like he’d still be a reasonably productive player for somebody. Plus, if worse came to worse and everybody’s healthy, he would strengthen the bench.
Jay L: Lofton does have that reputation. He was that way with the Yankees anyway when I covered them. Not real liked.-JD
Have the Mets inquired about Barry Lamar Bonds? lol
pvhornet05: Omar was asked the question today. No interest.-JD
David deserves to be an All-Star, period.
Oh, and Adam Eaton is absolutely horrible.
John which player do you see the Mets trading for?
hey i can’t get this game on tv, what are the chances of this getting rained out?
josh-
yeah too bad eaton wasn’t terrible in september of last year…
Matt, I just checked, I don’t think it should be a problem but who knows. Lets just hope we cant get past the 5th inning and we don’t have to worry.
Eaton was bad last september, the Mets were just worse.
You know even if Church does come back the Mets really need a righty bat at least to play against lefties.
Any chance the Mets are looking at Melvin Mora or Jay Payton.
Eaton was one of the worst signings by any team over the last couple yrs. I mean he just plain stinks
matt B: Mets up 8-1. I would think you’d want them to play.-JD
Scott: I doubt the Mets would have what it takes to get Mora. Payton on the other hand is at least more realistic. He probably shouldn’t cost that much to get
Matt B:
I can’t get the game on TV either, but I sure don’t want a rainout with Pedro pitching like this.
Neither should you.
This team might be in first if we had 1 corner outfielder, let alone 2. That said, I’m not sure the Mets have diddly to make a deal.
Annie Here is an idea for you.
If you have any friends who get SNY you could get a slingbox set it up at their place and then watch the games on your computer.
At least I think you can do this.
Scott –
Thanks for the idea – this whole area is supplied by Cox Cable which has never carried SNY and apparently never will. Actually, I don’t mind the radio too much, Howie is wonderful and there are much fewer commercials, no loud music and lots of background descriptions and great play by play announcing.
Yesterday the game was on CW11 – which I get – but I spent the whole day with the Wimbledon Men’s Finals, probably the best match ever played there. It lasted from 9AM to 4:30PM our time and was the longest men’s final since John McEnroe beat Jimmy Connors.
Needless to say, I never saw a minute of the Mets game until after the rainout when Billy (Wild One) Wagner gave the game away. I turned on Howie and finally got the good news with Tatis and Smith…......
Thanks again for the suggestion, but I’ve seen a lot of Pedro and can visualize him pretty well.
Pedro hasn’t been super sharp tonight, but wow a couple of those curves he has thrown for called strike 3 have been absolutely filthy. Utley and Burrell in particular gave up real fast on what turned out to be obvious strikes.
If the weather in Philly is like what we have here in CT, this is real Pedro weather – Hazy, Hot, & Humid. He should be rolling.
John I think you probably throw harder than this guy.
That last pitch to Tatis was 56 mph. He’s slower than Duque.-JD
CHURCH UPDATE: He had MRI of brain and neck that were negative. He’s day-to-day.-JD
He’s day-to-day.-JD
Aren’t we all….
CHURCH UPDATE: Three Hail Marys and two Our Fathers…
That was a good call by the umps. That was a home run.-JD
do i smell a blown 9-run-lead?
JD – The problem is the only one who saw the play and chose to call it, ruled it in play. I am not so sure from the replay it was gone. Jerry Manuel was correct to be angry since they had to meet to discuss something that they either saw or did not see. That was a home call in my opinion.
That truly was a bad call. Why should the Phillies benefit from one of their fans doing something that is against the rules. The fan clearly reached over into the field. Maybe the ball does go over the fence but fans are warned not to interfere with balls in play. If you do not peanalize the home team in that instance the fans will never learn.
I just hope this does not become an issue in this game.
It looked like the fan made contact with the ball ABOVE the rail, instead of reaching below. I think that’s a home run. Given that, I’m in favor of replay on home run calls.-JD
I agree about allowing replay on homerun calls. There should not be these discussions after the fact where the umpires go against a call one of them made. That should only be done when a rule is not being followed.
Any way…..hope am getting concerned Wagner may be asked to warm up for the ninth. Time for some Pepto Bismal.
WTH
10-1 to now it being a save situation for Wagner
Damn, I’m in no mood to rewrite my story.-JD
Even with instant replay, you couldn’t really tell on that play. To me, it looked like it would have hit that window above the fence. What pisses me off is that the Mets keep getting screwed on these calls: Beltran in Miami, Delgado in The Bronx, and Howard here. Someone tell me if the Mets have got lucky on one of these this season. The good news? They won the first two games in which calls were blown.
At least Burrell hit a home run against us when it didn’t really matter, although it seems like it now.
JD – It would be easier to write fiction! It would be more believable than the way the Mets actually play most nights. Let’s hope for some ninth inning runs to give a cushion for when they try to hold on in the bottom of the ninth.
Only the Mets could make this close.
Well, JD, hopefully Wagner (or maybe somebody else if the Mets score) will nail it down and you will only have to throw in another paragraph. :)
The mets pen is pissing this game away. This would be a disaster if the mets blow this game. Just when I start to believe in this team they pull this garbage. The better not blow this game.
Wow… someone check to see if Tatis bet on the Phillies
if wagner comes in, we lose this game.
that’s all that needs to be said.
Was just cheering Tatis on his hit until he got thrown out by about 30 feet.
We are losing this game.
Any win still counts as one win. Go Wagner!
We’re fine
One more runner and Wagner should be pulled. He loses this lead and he will probably be shot until after the All Star Break.
He will probably be shot… literally
Wagner just has no stomach for the big games.
Burrell is the bigger out.
If this loser blows this game he need to get sent packing. NO QUESTIONS ASKED
Sane: That was a DUMB play by Tatis but he was safe. What a terrible call. And now how much larger does Easley’s poor baserunning loom…if he’d slid on that play at the plate he may have at least had a shot at scoring. This team is full of idiots
1 more . . . and then we pop the cork on 1 game over.
One more to go. Gotta get Feliz here.
2 outs but I still have no confidence in this loser to get this last out. And this Phillies team has a set of stones this Mets team just doesn’t have…they dont die easy
we lost.
Howie has just put this one ‘in the Book’ and not a moment too soon. Thanks Pedro, but can you stay at the party a bit longer next time?
We may potentially send two chokers to the all star game. Wright and Wagner. That error shoudl be on Wright NOT Beltran
This is truly unf@@@###believable, this is a nightmare. The Mets had a 10-1 lead, another collapse from this group.
Had them all the way.-JD (yeah, right)
Final out. The Mets win despite themselves! I will take it!!!
The Mets new theme song should be “It don’t come easy”
I don’t know how anybody else feels on this blog but even though the mets won this game it feels like a loss.
That was amazing
You are crazy tomg, absolutely crazy, we just took three out of four and are 2 and a half back, last year we found a way to lose tonight and last night, somehow we won this year
It was hilarious, Wagner and everyone getting together every pitch. It’s obvious they still think the Phils are stealing signs, I mean they use multiple signs even when no one is on base.
A laughter turned into one that almost made me want to cry, but Wagner got out of it. Whew, that would have been the loss of the season, but they held close and Beltran, what the **** were you thinking when you threw that ball?
tomg- i couldn’t agree more. i bet the phillies and their fans (as well as everyone else in the baseball community) are laughing their asses off even though TECHNICALLY they lost the game.
Kevin July 7th, 2008 at 10:50 pm
“That was amazing”
I guess that is why the mets are called the amazin’s!!!
this is a loss mentally.
Hey they won the game. Stop being so negative before it happens.
The whole team is to blame for this becoming a crisis. From not stopping Easley at third. Tatis getting thrown out at second. Beltran and Wright making bonehead plays in the 9th. I just hope they learn they need to play all 9 innings especailly in Philly.
I wonder how the Phillie fans feel now because Manuel took Utley out of the game.
Kevin,
“You are crazy tomg, absolutely crazy, we just took three out of four and are 2 and a half back, last year we found a way to lose tonight and last night, somehow we won this year”
Let me get this straight. I am crazy, why, because this felt like a loss. that’s all i said. I’m sorry but it felt like a loss. That statement has nothing to do with the Mets taking three out of four.
Scott from Pelham,
I was on beerleaguer (phillies blog) earlier to see what they had to say and they weren’t happy that utley was removed when the phils were storming back. Thank you charlie manual.
I can see what you were saying Tom, I was so dumbfounded, shocked, and elated, I felt the opposite I suppose.
jd- this is a serious question, where do we draw the line with wagner?
meaning when does the staff pull their head out of their @$$ and stop putting him in key situations?
It just feels like they handed Philly a confidence boost. Philly could have layed down and gotten blown out but they proved that they can put themselves in a position to come back big without much trouble.
I hear you Kevin, don’t get me wrong. I am happy they won and have taken three out of four from the phillies. Hopefully we can get church back and Alou healthy. I think this team is finally turning the corner, one can hope. Hey, the mets are one game over .500 Hoorah!!! Hoorah!!!
Like Tug Mcgraw use to say, YOU GOTTA BELIEVE!!!
I look at it the other way TJ, to me, these games were loses last year, at the end of the season, no matter the circumstances going in to the 7th, 8th, 9th we lost in the final score, the Phillies were the ones that fell just short this season… I take that as a positive.
I suppose but I can’t lie, as a fan I’m still feeling the effects of last season.
The Mets are 7-3 versus the Phillies this year????
Wow. When did that happen?
8 games to go, 6 of those at Big Shea.
This is shaping up to be a great rivalry. I love it.
Lets go Mets.
TJ: If you would look at the glass half full you could say with a break on Friday they could have swept the Phillies.
3 out of 4 no matter how you do it is still 3 out of 4.
Just maybe now they have gotten inside the Phillies heads
that this Met team will not quit.
Scott, that’s a great point. If Aguila doesn’t take such a weird route to that first hit, who knows. But I can’t complain with 3 out of 4. On the plus side though, I hope those glaring, sloppy mistakes towards the end of the game drive home the point with the coaches that they need to set the players straight on playing all 9 innings.
TJ: on SNY Maz made the same point about the coaches setting the players straight.
If Wagner were no longer our closer, who would replace him? Maybe Joe Smith? Heilman? Sanchez? That would be interesting.
I recall earlier in the season, Wagner saying he hoped he be rested more during the season. Looks like now would be a good time for Billy to rest up. Wagner was virtually untouchable until mid to late June. Last season he also started to flounder around the midway point in the season.
I marvel at Mariano Rivera, as he does his job better than anyone else, year in and year out.
Big win, but that game aged me at least 10 years..
2.5 back, but again, they have to keep this up…
I absolutely despise Billy Wagner
As for this game giving Phillies confidence… I doubt it. They still lost 3/4 to the Mets, have lost 7/10 to them on the season, and as they say, momentum only lasts until the next game..
(Ex: Mets barely lose to Nats last year 10-9 after being down 10-3 in 9th, still get swept. In 06, Cardinals almost come back on Mets, lose 10-8, and lose next game)
Was that you John asking Carlos about his throw?
”...not that bad a throw…”?????
What color is the sky in Carlos’ world?
Excepting sickening or season-ending injuries, name a win for the team you root for that felt worse than this.
Name it.
I sure as hell can’t.
Beltran should have never made that throw. That run means nothing. You need to keep the tying run out of scoring position. Beltran should know better.
It was big taking 3 of 4, but we need to ride a hot streak into the break. We cant keep playing roller coaster this season. We need to start playing well and this would be a great time to do it.
A win is a win, and thats what matters, no matter how lousy we feel about it…
JB, I have to disagree most vehemently. Carlos throw was not bad at all. (Well it was not a great throw because it was 5 feet to David Wright’s left) but it was a very very good decision to make the throw. You have a guy taking a big risk trying to take an extra base where you have a legitimate shot at ending the game by throwing him out. Someone (Wagner in this case) is supposed to be backing up the throw. If he had been there he would have caught the ball and kept the tying run at 1st base and the force play in order. That Wagner wasn’t backing up was not Beltran’s fault. A very good decision to try to end the game by nailing the running taking a stupid risk.
Again its not that the run means anything. Its that the runner foolishly gave them a chance to get the 3rd out and final out of the game. If the throw is backed up you don’t risk the runner getting to 2nd base. That only happened because the throw wasn’t backed up.
The bullpen as a whole was terrible tonight.
Heilman giving up a 2 run blast to a guy in a 2 – 40 slump.
Armas did not pitch that well.
The question why was the pen bad tonight.
the first 3 games of this series were hard fought games
I guess the pen as a whole was tired tonight.
Be happy the Mets took 3 of 4
btw
I thought some people here were negative. After checking the Phillies blogs the negative comments here would be positive on their blogs. Phillie fans are real mean.
Taylor. No, no, no, and no.
Throw the ball into second, keep that tying run at first. The run means NOTHING and he took a unnecessary risk. If he didn’t see Wagner there to back it up then he should not have thrown the ball in the first place.
Bad move by Beltran.
If I were Beltran I would do the same simply because I had no faith that Wagner was winning that game for you. If I think i have a legitimate shot at getting the third out without Wagner, I take it the chance.
Both of these teams have alot of flaws.
I think the winner of this division will have about 85 wins. Which still gives the Mets a chance since 85 wins equates to 40-33 the rest of the way.
Armas was horrible, Heilman was horrible, Wagner was horrible. Beltran made a bonehead play all very true statements, and all dont mean a damn thing. Bottom line if you are a mets fan is they took 3 of 4 from the first place who were coming off of a sweep of the Braves and had all the momentum after stealing game one of the series.
As the broadcast booth noted, it was a bad play all around: The runner shouldn’t have tried for third; Beltran shouldn’t have thrown there; and Wagner should have been backing up the throw.
All that said, I don’t think the Phils come out of this energized by their eight unanswered runs. They still lost 3 out of 4 in their park (could have easily been a sweep) to a team they would likely acknowledge as their main competition. Worse, the Mets were beating them at their own game—the 16-hit slugfest.
Time to dig out the Bob Murphy recording from 1990. Taking 3 of 4 in Philly was huge. Now keep it up. Good move by Minaya in showing no interest in Bonds. Too bad both Selig and Fehr still have jobs.
It seemed like Wright was thinking similarly. He could have played it safe and just made sure he caught the ball and kept the runner at 1st base but he went for the out too by reaching for the ball and trying to bring it back in one motion.
JD: How bout giving some love to Reyes for last night’s hustle. He’s been busting it since last week’s b.s. You are quick to criticize him when he is lazy. Time to give him some kudos for busting it.
I humbly thank Mr. Delcos for the web-page but…
Yeah, he doesn’t praise players under thirty.
He helps run ‘em out of town for showing enthusiasm…
And then we get a catcher who can’t hit and an outfielder with some kind of pre-existing migraine condition that makes him unable to recover from concussions in return.
Passion is the greatest sin imaginable for an athlete ever, Famous Ray’s Original Steve, hasn’t the NYC press rammed this idea down your throat yet?
We’re awful people for not wanting to pull Shawn Green out of retirement to play short, haven’t you heard? He’s polite and a Proven Veteran™ and he was a homerun hitter ten years ago!
He’s what the New York papers demand we love!
Tiffany, I know it may be considered sacrilege but I happen to disagree with the booth on that one. Beltran had a very good shot at the out there.
Church is back on the DL. Evans up.
Anybody want to talk about Barry Bonds? Do you want him, or do you not want him?
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