Why is it they make you show up early at the airport and nothing is open?
There is a line outside the McDonald’s in the San Diego airport waiting for it to open.
Long flight home. Longer for the boys last night. I have thought all along they would get into the playoffs, but I don’t know anymore.
They can’t make a run and what’s worse is there are no signs they will be able to.
They obviously misjudged when they thought all they needed last winter was to land a stud pitcher.
They need so much more.
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What kind of ” through the roof” are we talking about? If I were GM for a day, just about anybody on this “team” would be expendable, wright + reyes are obvious untouchables.
John,
Young pitching prospects.
Dan,
I think we can safely say Alou has no future with this team or the national league for that matter. I know he’s here for the rest of the year, but I have no confidence in his ability to stay healthy from now until playoff time ( if we make it ). Its a shame , the guy is a great hitter but not much else.
Dan—What do Nick Evans, Daniel Murphy, Mike Carp and Ike Davis all have in common?
1.) They are all Met prospects (I’m assuming that Davis will be signed)
2.) They all project to be 1B/corner outfielders
Even if they all panned out and became the next Danny Tartabulls, there’s not enough room for all of them. Suffice to say, someone in this bunch is going to be traded, especially if the Mets envision Fernando Martinez playing one of their corner spots in the future.
The main difference between last year’s team and this year’ team is that last year when the old guys got hurt we young guys who were excited and exuberant to play for a while. We had Milledge, Gomez and Gotay and they weren’t real good but they hustled and made the team alive. This year we have replacements who are pathetic older guys, run down and worn out and they’ll give you one hit and they are done as the originals. We also have no 8th inning guy this year. Last year Heilmann was pretty good for the most part. Sanchez is mediocre this year and what can anyone say about Heilmann. Last year Delgado provided protection for Beltran because it took a while for the league to accept that his skills were really gone and then Alou had a big September. This year he has no protection and he’s hitting like 2005.
John i agree.
my point was the we are not going to trade a prospect for an outfielder to split time with alou this year
I do agree alou is gone after the year..but with church and alou in the outfield and martinez in the waiting..we arent trading prospects for positions other than pitchers..maybe second base (since we drafted one .the ss kid who will be a second baseman)..and maybe catcher..since Pena may or may not turn out to be a starter.
NADY, NADY ,NADY !!!
Tiffany
i see your point, but you cant trade one of them without knowing that one of them is for sure going to be a major leaguer..thats the only reason I cant see them being traded in the near future.
Any thoughts on the possible return of ” The Stache’” Valentine.
Steve, I’m well aware that the Mets are a .500 team right now. They’ve scored and allowed essentially the same amount of runs. I just think that is underperforming their true ability level. That is based on projections of their career stats with age adjustments (down for older players, up for younger players). My point in making that post is that the starting pitching has not been that good. From a lot of the posts you might get the impression that the pitching has been pretty good but the offense isn’t scoring enough. That’s not the case. Both have been completely league average.
“Use the depth created by last week’s college draftees to deal a package of prospects (two of Carp, Murphy and Evans, plus any other odds and ends) for a three-month corner OF rental. This player should be a veteran with a good clubhouse presence who can bring that I’m-here-to-win quality with him.”
Who would you suggest? Dunn? A power hitter who begs his manager to bat 2nd, and a team apparently already loaded with young talent. Griffey might give you 2 good months if het hought he was in a pennant race, but on the other hand he might be as done as he looks lately.
Nady: The Pirates are as close to the Mets for the wild card. And their farm is in needed of pitchers. Not a match.
Thames or Ordonez from Detroit? I don’t know what they need. Maybe we could trade managers. They’ve obviously learned to ignore Leyland as much as the Mets ignore Willie.
I’m sure we could get Richie Sexson for nothing but I don’t think he plays the outfield.
And a question. As you say, these prospects are basically all the same guy so why would a team want 2 of them in a deal?
If the Mets scored more runs the starting pitching would be better. It is a lot easier to pitch with a 3 run lead than a tie game.
Question has the Mets starting pitching this year been worse than 2006 ?
We know the offense has.
As far as Nady goes why would you over pay for a player having a career year who also over his entire career is a better 1st half player than 2nd half.
Also no way do you trade Evans, Carp or Murphy.
Why?
Do you guys remember Steve Reed for Jason Bay.
You could probably get Inge from Detroit for nothing if you pick up his big contract.
Scott, who said anything about overpaying. I say, get him if the price is right, and his” entire career” was mostly spent as a back-up ,platoon player a la` Church with the Nats. It wasnt until he came to the Mets that ppl really got to see what Nady can do when healthy and given ample playing time, again, a la` Church.
And I think Evans is expendable ( thats just my opinion)
So you trade the only one (Evans )who hits right handed when you have no other right handed hitters in the system.
Murphy , Carp, F-mart and Ike Davis are all leftys.
Nady is a righty as well.
hahaa John..i think if it was up to u
evans would be gone
Nady would be here
And valentine would be manager
Am i Wrong?
Here is the best reason I want no part of Nady.
His agent is Scott Boras
I meant Jose valentine, but now that you mention it….....
I thought the stache reference was for manager valentine..ha
Scott, I don’t think thats true. I don’t think pitchers perform any better with a 3 run lead than they do in a tie game. There’s always a way to frame these situtations for whatever side of the argument your’re on. For instance you could say that pitchers bear down and concentrate harder in a tie game and they relax too much if they have a 3 run lead. I’m pretty sure it makes no difference at all. What matters is how good the pitcher is and how well he’s pitching at the time. The Mets pitching has been as disappointing as the hitting and I don’t think the hitting explains it at all. The hitters could just as easily say that they are always behind and its putting too much pressure on them to come from behind and so the poor pitching is part of the reason for the disappointing offense. I don’t believe any of those scenarios. Its about ability and how well a player is going at the time.
Its Jose Valentin. There is no ‘e’ at the end of his last name.
Isn’t F-Mart a righty? or a switch hitter?
Like I said earlier ” Fire Everyone”. Wholesale change is needed!!! axe Peterson, Willie, Minaya and Hojo. Bring Wally B. in, he’s paid his penance.
He’s a Lefty.
Taylor – Maybe Tiffany has the answer.
Two guys who will never manage the Mets.
Wally Backman and Gary Carter.
I will bet the house on this.
tiffany –
i agree with you on firing willie. (yes, it’s his livelihood we’re talking about JD, but it’s not as if firing him is going to be taking food out of his kids’ mouths—his team is not performing and hasn’t performed in over a year, when that happens you find someone else to do the job).
but i wouldn’t be so quick to trade 2 of 3 amongst Carp, Evans, and Murphy for a 3 month rental.
mostly because that assumes adding 1 player is enough to significantly improve this team…i just don’t see it being that easy (also Ike Davis isn’t a comparable prospect until he puts up numbers w/ a wood bat like Evans, Murphy and Carp are this year at AA—which isn’t to say i don’t think he will).
This mortgage the future for some “veteran savior” mentality is one of the things that got this Mets team in this predicament in the first place. Can we as fans for once live with the ups and downs of letting our farm system remain with the team (perhaps lose a year or two) but be good for the long haul with mostly home grwn players, with a few veterans sprinlked in?
Yeah, let’s live with them. Because every team needs four or five 1B/corner outfielders, right?
“NADY, NADY ,NADY !!!”
In case you have noticed John, the Pirates are now ahead of us in the wild card. They have more of a chance to be buyers than we do this year.
Listen, please. You can’t make stake out of hamburger. You trot out the players you have. The mets right now are hamburgers. Managers get way to much credit when they win and to much blame when they lose. Joe Tore is like a God, but if you gave Willie or any other manager some of the teams Joe had they to would win those rings to
. Does anyone honestly think that a group of grown men making all that money shake in thier boots if Willie get”s fired? Do you think this team will put together a long winning streak because they bring in someone else. Nope. They will win if they hit, pitch and keep the mistakes down.
John, is the team quiting on Willie? If so, then thats a problem. If not, then all he can do is throw the hamburgers on the grill and pray for stake.
Sorry, but anybody who thinks the Mets have any prospects to trade for a player even of XMan’s level is just over pricing the Mets bad farm or is dillusional. The Mets have maybe one guy in the system who could be above avg-FMart.
Other teams have stock piles of FMarts to trade for the likes of XMan or just about anybody else you can name.
The Mets are stuck with the lot they have. Only hope is that Pedro stays healthy and is effective, helps OP to keep his brain focused, they get something out of Alou and Church’s brain is not mush.
It just isn’t going to happen for us this year. I’ve known for some time now.