Church goes on DL
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The Mets just placed Ryan Church on the DL. He was examined today and told doctors he just didn’t feel right.
The move to the DL comes nearly three weeks after the initial injury in Atlanta when he was hurt trying to break up a double play.
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Who are they going to bring up? How about Pascucci or Aguila? They are both hitting very well at AAA.
are you starting to feel like that this is not our year?
Mets should have Dled him a long time ago, he might not have recovered by now but they certainly look bad putting wins in front of players…..after first concussion Dl should be automatic…
my guess is JRod = John Rodriguez
Just a bit, Howard.
How bout Mike Carp? I think it is time for Carp to be unleashed.
It’s going to be Alou. Book it.
Finally… this should have been done the day after the initial injury..
At this point, the Mets have to at least consider Barry Bonds…
You guys seem to be forgetting the Mets will probably just activate Alou.
“At this point, the Mets have to at least consider Barry Bonds…”
Bonds is being blackballed by MLB.
I’d like to see Mike Vail get another shot.
About time. I am glad that he is finally being cared for the way he should have been when the injury first occurred.
They will bring back Moises Alou. They’ll also bring back Marlon Anderson soon. That ought to do it.-JD
they need to make a move to shake things up- what that move is….I don’t know. Kenny Lofton??
Alou will be activated on Tuesday. That was the plan. And now that Church is on the DL they don’t have to send somebody else down. And Castro can sit in Willie’s dog house for a few more days.
Tiffany,
How about George Theodore!!!!
The Stalk!!!
Why would the Mets want another Endy Chavez (Kenny Lofton) type of player who is slower, and has a bad attitude?
Why would the Mets w/all their PR problems want a huge Barry Bonds headache? There is no way they bring him here.
Barry Bonds is being blackballed? For what? Lying to federal investigators?
Plus, if there are clubhouse problems now, what do you think the clubhouse will be like when BB has to have his suite of lockers, his big screen TV and his entourage? The guy is a class A jerk.
People, people … Let’s be smart here. Barry Bonds isn’t coming here and Kenny Lofton is no answer, either. The idea is to improve the Mets and not add a cancer to the clubhouse.-JD
Jason Bay… get him here. As much as I do like Heilman (strange huh?) but i think a Heilman for Bay swap could work. No pressure and he can start in Pitt, Bay comes back to where he started
Willie must go
The question becomes, John… where the hell did the Mets medical staff get their licenses, a Crackerjack box?
Who was the guy or gal who told Willie and Omar that Castillo would be magically six years younger after knee surgery, that they’d get even sixty games out of Alou, that two concussions in short order wouldn’t MAYBE be a reason to DL a guy?
And, moreover, how delusional and/or desperate were they to believe that staff?
How much of this season’s hope was predicated on medical dicerolls that should’ve been seen to come up “craps” early and often?
Who was believing what out of real medical ignorance and who was believing what out of a stretching desire to save their jobs?
Look, the main concern now is Church, the lineup misses his bat. Great, Omar for bringing him here. It falls on you if something is permanantly wrong with this guy now.
Abt time. This could have ended Church’s career. They should have done it a lot sooner.As soon as he suffered the 2nd concussion. It was not fair to him to drag him along. If they did it right away, he could have been ok by now and playing regularly. Now who knows how long it will take him to recoup rate.
Craig – firing Willie is not the answer. He plays with what he has gotten from Minyana.Just like in a card game. If you think Willie should go so should Minyana. Don’t know what goes on in the clubhouse, but the chemistry is not there. Getting younger I think will be the answer, but it takes patience with young prospects, something that most Mets fans do not have.
The problem is, if you bring back George Theodore, then there’s probably no room for Dan Hahn.
...or even Don Hahn.
spot on about Omar….and the Mets…the rollercoaster org
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/mets/2008/06/09/2008-06-09_with_aging_players_barren_farm_system_om.html
Yes, spot on. Adam Rubin makes the dubious claim that, as of March 29, the Mets had the oldest 40-man roster in baseball. It’s dubious for a number of reasons: March 29 is an arbitrary date; the inclusion of the 15 non-roster players can be biased by organizational needs that are never actually realized on the 25-man squad; and it’s just not an accurate reflection of team age.
Here are the actual oldest teams, based on who’s acutally played for them in 2008:
Toronto—31.7
Yankees—31.4
Detroit—31.0
Houston—31.0
White Sox—30.5
Philadelphia—30.4
Seattle—30.4
Boston—30.4
Mets—30.4
I heard Ed Kranepool will come back and play as long as Reyes gives him his number 7.
”...It’s OK to carry that piano on your back, Ed. Just don’t stop to play it…”
Well, it’s been well documented by me that Minaya has done a bad job and has killed this franchise. It only gets worse from here because i don’t see how the mets will get better in the future. The farm system is lame and have old players in key spots. I agree with Adam Rubin.
I say bring back the 86 mets out of retirement, hell, they couldn’t be any worse than this motley crew.
I say bring back Rusty Staub, good old rusty I bet ya would drive in runs in a big spot with two outs!!!!!
I disagree. There are a lot of very good parts here. Three of the eight regulars are All-Stars and relatively young, and a fourth has arguably been the best of the bunch. They’ve got one of the best—if not the best—starting pitchers of the last five years fronting their rotation, backed by a pair of 27-yr-old power pitchers who each won 15 games last year. And, waiting in the wings to assume larger roles are a teenager power hitter who some believe will hit 40 hr, as well as a young starter who has been compared to Brandon Webb.
These very good parts haven’t been working well. I don’t think that’s Omar’s fault.
I think Oliver Perez winning 15 games last year was more of an aberration. Johan Santana will be turning 30 and his best days are behind him. The three players you consider all stars are borderline all-stars. I don’t know who you are referring to when you mentioned a “teenager power hitter who some believe will hit 40 hr, as well as a young starter who has been compared to Brandon Webb.”
It’s Omar’s fault that he traded and over paid to bring in Delgado at the end of his prime years. It’s Omar’s fault that he over paid for alou which all baseball people knew was injury prone. it’s Omar’s fault that he brought in Easley and anderson, two aging players that are not good defensively and there better days are behind them. It’s Omar’s fault that he signed Castillo to a long contract knowing he had two bad knees. It’s Omar’s fault that he traded away Heath Bell and Bannister for garbage. It’s Omar’s fault for not resigning bradford but for the same amount of money he signs Scott Schoeneweis. It’s Omar’s fault for resigning El Duke when we all witness him breaking down at the end of the last two years when we needed him the most. It’s Omar’s fault for continuously stocking the farm system (AAA) and bringing these players up to the big club he got off the scrap pile.
By the way, Omar Minaya had nothing to do with Wright and reyes, those players were drafted by the old regime, not Minaya. Omar brought in Beltran who to me is a good center fielder but is very inconsistent offensively and not a clutch hitter and was over paid.
Tomg: I think Omar is to blame too, but I’ll never complain about him making a mistake in signing Beltran and trading for Delgado. Beltran has been great the last two years and obviously came off of the series of his life with Houston. I don’t think anyone could have predicted coming off his 2006 season that Delgado would be finished.
I don’t care what sport it is but the way to build a winning team and keep it a winning team is threw the drafting and developing a farm system. Take the yankees for example. The reason why the Yankees had a nice little dynasty going in the late 90’s early 20’s was because they developed a farm system and built a good nucleus of young players. Than to fill certain areas they traded to fill those spots. The yankees since than have tried to buy through free agency and how is that working.
Steve,
Ok, I’ll give you Beltran and delgado. Maybe that just me with those two players because I don’t like beltran because it was well documented that he wanted to go to the yankees and had boras go back to the yankees to tell the yankees he would take 10 mil less to sign with them and the yankees still weren’t interested. Delgado blew the mets off and knocked certain people in the mets organization. That told me all I needed to know about these two players.
What I mean about delgado is he blew the mets off and signed with the marlins and dopey Minaya still goes after him and trades for him.
I still think Delgado is a cancer in the mets club house. The day he is gone the better the mets will be and I’m not talking about delgado on the field. I’m talking about him in the club house. If I was the mets I wouldn’t want him anywhere near my young players.
Beltran overpaid? what is overpaid? Two gold gloves and two silver slugger awards would indicate he is one of the best if not the best CF in the NL.
I’ll grant you that he is no Manny Ramirez (or pick your own clutch hitter), but you are going to pay 17MM for gold gloves and silver slugger level offense (You could argue that he should be paid 14-15MM. But we are talking a couple Mill-I hope that is your point tomg). DW and Reyes will make that kind of $$ someday too. That’s the way it is.
If you want more clutch hitting, 20-25MM will do it b/c clutch hitters usually also lead the MLs in BA, RBI, HRs, etc… that lead to “clutch” hitting. And when a guy leads the league in those categories they get paid over 20MM.
His ” hitting” would be much much better if he had some dam protection, we have no “big bat” that opposing pitchers fear.
Actually, Omar gave up very little for Delgado. Mike Jacobs is a modern-day Rico Brogna, and Yusmerio Petit hasn’t fooled anyone since AA. (And the Marlins also sent along several million in cash to offset the cost of Delgado’s contract.)
Let’s say that Delgado has become a clubhouse cancer. Who’s responsible for managing the clubhouse?
scoopcoop,
Yes, that’s what I’m saying, Omar Minaya over paid, not by allot. I guess I have it in for Beltran because he wanted to go to the yankees, not the Mets and had his agent approach the yankees and was willing to take 10 mil less off the total amount but the yankees were not intertested.
He is a cancer,He’s a veteran who has declining skills, a bad attitude and no leadership skills, He wont be here next year and I’m sure if they could, he’d be gone this year, as well as Willie. Lets hope theWilpons will shell out for Texiera, a bat like that in the lineup will do wonders for Wright and Beltran.
Tiffany,
Usually the manager but wiullie’s hands are tied because of Omar and his right hand man tony Bernazard. They protect the latino players so it’s hard for willie. Willie was a lame duck manager when he came to the mets. Why do you think Omar wanted to hire him and not Lou Piniella or a manager who will demand to bring in his own people. Willie could only bring in one and Omar fire him. This is Omar controlling things, willie is in a in a bad situation with this regime. I’m not saying willie is a good manager but it’s hard when you have Omar and Tony Bernazard behing your back and protecting the latino players. I know supposedly that’s not happening anymore but I don’t believe it.
“Five hundred is not acceptable because we are better than that,” Minaya said. No,We’re not!! The last year and half proves it!! I’m so tired of hearing this crap!!
Minaya said he’s working the phone every day, trying to see if players who could help are available. He’s considered changing the makeup of the 25-man roster but said nothing out there at the moment makes sense. With five weeks left before the All-Star break, few if any clubs are ready to give up and trade a valuable commodity.
This is from newsday.com today.
Any thoughts??
Yea, the mets are going up a s@@ts creek. I cringe when I here Omar is working the phones. What is going to do, now that the mets just supposedly had a good draft in a deep draft Omar is going to make bad trades and give up already young talent. Patience is a virtue and if this season is a bust, so be it. I rather not make any hasty dumb trades to fix leaks in the wall
that will probably be a temporary fix that is not all of a sudden going to make the mets a championship contender.
I think if you can get xman or bay, you gotta do it, at a reasonable price, we need another corner of.
I hope he is, and fully well expect it to be true. But as noted, it is too early for teams to be making major deals. But, good time to lay the ground work, see what other teams want, etc.
What I don’t understand is the crazy mix of guys on the 25 man right now. It will be interesting to see what moves are made tonight.
If ALou and ANderson are back, and get activate, I would also like to see Aquilera up until church gets back. Send down Casanova and Nunez, and and the team actually looks quite a bit better. Or at least, not as suckidelic.
Paul Hagen is reporting that the Mets are interested in acquiring a first baseman and/or a corner outfielder. Hagen says that Omar Minaya is rumored to be interested in Kevin Millar, Jason Bay and Xavier Nady. Hagen must share a source with Dan Graziano, who mentions the same trio. Might Aaron Heilman be used as bait?
Source—mlbtraderumoers.com
John, forget about Bay or Nady. I already told you the pirate gm wants young blue chip prospect pitchers. Nady and Bay are not worth giving up blue chip pitching prospects. Actually pitching is the one thing you do not want to give up. Pitching is everything in baseball. The mets are not getting bay and nady so get that out of your head, it won’t happen unless the pirate gm changes his asking price which I don’t see happening.
Tom, I agree that it won’t be the worst thing to ride out the season. I also don’t want Omar gutting the rest of the prospects (Carp, Neise, Murphy) for a couple more mid-30 YO stiffs that used to be good. Then, they miss the POs anyway, but don’t have the young guys.
I don’t believe in rumors. Unless the pirate gm drops his asking price of blue chip prospect pitching and is willing to take somebody off the major league roster I just don’t see the mets getting bay or nady. If Omar trades these blue chip pitching prospects I will be extremely mad.
I think Heilamn and evans would get the job done for bay or nady, Where did you hear that they want blue-chip pitching prospects, and I’m sure, while they are in contention for the wild card right now, that wont last long and their asking price will drop.
John, That’s fine, the pirate gm could want pitchers from the major league team if there still in the race. I read a while back in the winter meetings that teams were asking about bay and nady and the gm asking price was almost laughable.
Isn’t it ironic that Kazmir has a better chance of making the playoffs than the mets. I will never forget that trade for as long as I am alive in this world. I was driving west on sunrise highway out on eastern long island and listening to the fan. When I heard who the mets traded Kazmir for I literally almost drove my car off the road. I’m not being a front runner here, I knew than that was the one of the worst trades in baseball history. Zambrano had a history of arm trouble and always got smacked around. If you are going to trade someone like Kazmir who at the time was well spoke of by other scouts from other teams you have to get something good, not an average pitcher with a history of arm trouble. That is why I almost drove my car off the road.
Yea unfortunetly, the list goes on and on, when it comes to bad trades involving the Mets!
Church on the DL is 3 weeks late. At least they did it.
Now lets see if he can see straight next month.
Hey, do you want to get even madder as a met fan. Check out Kazmir’s stats. The guy has a 1.41 ERA, 6-1 record and a whip under 1.00, Santana who, it makes me sick to my stomach.
And that is in the american league and in the east division with the yankees and red sox’s. When that trade happen I was really close to not being a met fan anymore for the first time in my life. When Omar came aboard I bought in to his press conference and with wright and reyes coming up from the minors saved the day. I am starting to doubt Omar Minaya though. I am losing confidence in Omar.
I hate to say this but, 2 concussions in such a short period of time, there is a high probability of Church not being the same player he was ,for at least the rest of this year. We have all seen some great NFL players careers destroyed by this type of injury.
I wanna see what he can do to save this team this year . Hopefully he’ll impress us and pull off a slick trade, it needs to happen.
The church situation will go down as the worse organizational decision in baseball history. I guess it’s willie’s fault since everybody seems to blame willie for everything else.
JOHN: You are so off base with thinking that Evans/Heilmann will get Bay or Nady. The Pirates, to evertybody’s shock and dismay are improving, their pitchers are improving, they need a big league starter to give them some experience. Heilmann is not a big league starter, and even if one wanted to make him one, he needs time to stretch and he has no experience to help a young nucleus. They don’t need a corner outfielder in AA to replace a corner outfielder because they have 2 in AAA ready to jump up. They don’t need Evans at 1B since they are already stuck with LaRoche. Now if you want him, I’m sure a deal could be arranged, but he is making Delgado look potent.
If you Dunn from the Reds I think you have the same problem with a match. They bring up outfielders regularly it seems and have a top prospect at first and two rookies who look like they will be real good starters. Both the Reds and Pirates have no front offices who are tryin g to convince a fan base that the world is changing and they aren’t going to be sellers every summer. If they smell any chance a t awild card race they won’t sell unless blown away, which the Mets can’t do. If we still had Flores I’m sure he’d be worth a fortune but we don’t since giving a multi year contract to a 48 year was a higher priority.
tomg: Before Tiffany does this, I will beat her to the punch and ask you if we blame Omar for the Kazmir trade?
Mark my words ” We will get nady or bay” watch!!
TheGuvlovestheMets,
Good one but that doesn’t count because Omar wasn’t with the mets when that trade was made but willie is here with the church situation. I couldn’t resist, nothing against tiffany. I think she is one of the best poster’s on this blog and is very knowledgeable and has a good sense of humor, it’s refreshing.
I wasn’t bringing up Kazmir because what I thought of Omar. I am in extreme frustration mode so I thought I would just pile on the s@@t while I was at it.
tomg-
Why do you bother rooting for this team? Seriously. There are all different types of fans…but the bottom line is that baseball is supposed to be enjoyable. I get pissed when the team loses and obviously when they win consistently, it’s more “fun” but it’s still a game.
If you hate this team so much or can’t find any enjoyment out of the game, then…
I’m not saying you don’t, but based on your posts, I can’t see how you like this team or this game.
Mike,
well, I am a met fan, baseball fan but I admit I don’t like this team that minaya put together. I’m sure I’m not the only met fan that feels this way. I’m not going to bother the players I like on the mets and the players I don’t. The bottom line is I am a met fan and a frustrated one but I am still a fan.
I hate the ” team” that Minaya put together as well Tom.
Mike, its a business as well, fans are what makes the team, w/o the fans pouring their hard earned money into merchandise and tickets there would be no ballclub. As a loyal fan that supports their team through viewership and ticket/merchandise purchases, we all reserve the right to express both negative and positive opinions on our beloved Mets. Just the fact the we are on here talking about this should go to show that only real fans of the Mets are in here posting.
Tom—Did you like this team after 145 games last year, when they were 83-62 and had a seven-game lead?
Why is it that people think that a guy who is having a bad season (Heilman) can be traded for a guy having a good one (Nady)?
Sorry, the GM of the Pirates is not as dumb as you think he is.
The team that Minaya put together was designed to be good for a couple yrs. He got 1 yr out of it. I had hoped he would be true to his word and develop a FS so that the team would have a chance to be good yr to yr. But he has not and even with 40MM coming off the books there is little to fill OF, 1B or SP for next yr.
Hence, it appears Omar is a typical Mets yo-yo organizational man who puts out a good team for a 1-2yr span then they stink it up for 4-5.