Well, here we are again. Mets get inspiring win. Vow things have changed. Then play a lousy game and lose.
I just realized something … everybody is Oliver Perez.
Aaaaaaaaaaah (primal scream).
Enjoy the game.-JD
I don’t think they played a lousy game last night. They were sharp, coming back from deficits on more than one occasion. Heilman had nothing—and Willie left him in too long. That’s the story.
Why would you keep starting Pelfrey when everyone knows he’s not major league ready and just keeps loosing ballgames.This team cannot afford to keep experimenting with Pelfrey, and should send him to the minors to learn how to pitch, you will be doing him and met’s fans a favor. After his last outing I was sure he would be sent down.
You are right, last night was not one of those maddening, heartless/brainless losses. They were down 3 runs, they came back. They went down again, they came back again. They never got the big hit, but that happens sometimes – and they had been getting big hits the 3 games prior. A blown call and Aaron Heilman determined the outcome, but it wasn’t overall a lousy game. And another thing is John Maine. He gives up 3 in the first and then battens down the hatches. You gotta love his fight, as opposed to Mike Pelfrey the gutless wonder.
you guys think they’ll get the game in today? JD?
Seems like it’s supposed to rain until late tonight.
And as for Heilman, I need to see him go a week without giving up a run before he starts pitching meaningful innings. This is one of the legitimate reasons people should be ticked off with Willie, who likes to believe every player on his is some sort of warrior that won’t let him down in battle. He’s an idiot. And he needs to stop trusting guys like Heilman until they turn it around.
jd- do you think pelfrey’s potential move to the minors will be a distraction, causing him to do something like give up 7 runs through 4 innings?
what’s castillos situation looking like?
I asked last night but didn’t get a response from anyone. What’s the status of Valentin. Is he on the DL or is he off the team?
Alex: Interesting question about Pelfrey. Hard to answer because I don’t know if those seven runs are because of a distraction or just a normal lousy start by him.-JD
Craig, He’s not on the DL, he was signed to a minor league contract and for the past week or maybe even two weeks he’s been playing LF, 2nd base, and DHing for the St. Lucie Mets in Single A. He’s been batting pretty well.
He’s probably going to be up in no time. And if Castillo goes on the DL, I expect Valentin back.
Tiffany: About last night, it is too easy to hang it all on Heilman. And please note, I didn’t say to hang Heilman.
Maine was hit for three out of the chute. Plus, they left 11, including the bases loaded twice.
There were enough breakdowns all over.-JD
The game was lost b/c Beltran hit a deep fly ball but not deep enough and Wright hit a deep fly ball for a 2B but in the wrong at bat.
If they come back today and win and then win tomorrow at 5-2 homestand might be enough of a springboard to go fw with.
I don’t know why, but I don’t have a good feeling about today, and it all starts with Mike Pelfrey.. If you remember early in the season, Pelfrey talked about how he didn’t have to worry about pitching for his job, and he thought it made him perform better. Well, if Pelfrey doesn’t pitch a good game today, chances are he’s heading back to the minors.
Or maybe its the fact that Mike Pelfrey isn’t very good to begin with. In all his starts dating to 2006 he hasn’t shown me anything.
I havn’t seen the reason the Mets drafted him, I have yet to see a 97 mph fastball… where did that go? Did leaving the college campus make him lose it? I’d rather him be a wild 97 mph fastball thrower than a guy who occasionaly spots his 92 mph fastball.
Big deal he’s had maybe two games in that span that make you think he can be an important pitcher but he’s not even showing an improvement.
Actually in the end, all it is, is that I’m bitter the Mets even drafted him back in 2005, he was the one guy I did NOT want the Mets drafting but… they did. Guys I liked for that 2005 draft were Cameron Maybin, Jay Bruce, Craig Hansen, John Mayberry, and Luke Hochevar. So to be fair besides, Bruce nobody is setting the world on fire, but at the very least those guy show some sort of improvement every year.
David Wright= Anti-clutch
It’s amazing that Reyes cannot lay off the high fastball which he pops straight up every time. That was a huge at bat, that could very well be the game.
I am sorry for my sins, trangressions and tresspasses. I promise to try to do better.
Now, please return Wayne Hagin to the god-forsaken midwest, where his inarticulate banner can be described as “folksy.”
I am pleasantly surprised that the Mets have come back and taken the lead. maybe there is hope for this team after all.
put it in the books!!!!!!!!!!!
Absolute filthiness by Wagner…
Terrific comeback win… Now let’s take the series tomorrow with Santana on the mound…
Another happy recount. In honor of the great John Delcos, time to play the Rolling Stones “Aftermath” album. If only the team could play with the consistency of Charlie Watts….
Nobody gave Delcos any love for his “Whip Comes Down” reference earlier today…
This team is starting to show a little magic with another comeback win.
JD, I got it about hang Heilman. Pun was intended I am sure.
Big, Big, win for the Mets. If they dropped 2 in a row after the little 3 game winning streak, many here would be grinding teeth and losing heart. Does Pelfry get any love now? He pitches great at Shea. He has been rushed, and is still learning.
That Sanchez – Wagner combo was really a thing of beauty today. Not to mention watching them put up a curly number late.
And Pelfrey did settle in and hold them close—I still think he needs to go to AAA and get his secondary pitch(s) more reliable, but it was nice that he didn’t implode. Hmmm, looks like the first 2 months of this season has done something to my expectations.
The Stones were great, but I’d put the Beatles ahead of them and anybody else. Here is a song that could apply to our favorite team- “Its getting better all the time, better, better, better”
John: I was at the game today and have one question and one comment.
Is Reyes OK ? He was limping around for awhile after that play at second.
Man is Schneider slow, paint dries faster than him going first to third.
That was A great win.
Never saw that rally coming at all.
I think everyone in the park was stunned by how quick the game changed.
Wagner was throwin some serious heat in the 9th.
So whoes place in the rotation is Pedro taking?
Unrelated. Just for laughs, did anybody see Ollie trying to peel the hide of a baseball with his fingers and then with his teeth? It got Main to chuckle.
Keep Pelfrey up and let him keep learning.
Let him know that he’s the guy and he’s part of the team, right or wrong, and that’s the only way he’ll ever develop real confidence instead of just…
Over and over, keep trying to get lightning in a bottle with guys rightly discarded by other teams and then… when they don’t have some kind of magic rejuvenation by becoming Mets, yo-yoing Pelfrey again.
You got to stick with, especially in a season where catching up to the Phillies’ and their offense will be… quite difficult, really.
Keep trying to get there, of course, but be practical about keeping an eye on the future, too.
Vargas and… Lugo and Armas… they were all discarded for reasons involving the fact that they’re not that good.
As for Heilman?
Make him the long-man and forget about him. Maybe he starts trying again, maybe he doesn’t, don’t worry about it until you have to.
He hates coming in with other peoples’ runners on because he thinks that he’s a starter. Boo hoo. You’re a reliever, Heilman, suck it up, buttercup.
Mike C, I agree to let Pelf stay in the rotation but I see Vargas being the long man not Heilman. I think Heilman’s use will only be in mop up situations.
Delcos your an idiot
I don’t agree much with Mike C. but on the point about keeping Pelfrey up I do. His development will be faster if he stays up instead of going down to AAA, and they will need to depend on him next year. Since he is one of Omar’s pet players, I have a feeling he will be staying up. They will do something with Vargas and/or Heilman instead. This is one case where they need to think about the future too.
NR – To your point about JD – The whole rubber and glue thing apply. Right back atcha!!
Pelfrey is going to stay. Mets were hoping he would do something so that they could keep him. They have got to find out if he can be part of their plans for 09 and beyond.
To me this indicates that it is unlikely OP hangs around after 08 unless he is so bad or just so-so that he will sign a 1-2yr deal (of course if he is so bad why sign him at all).
I still think Pelf would be better suited to go down and learn how to throw strikes on a consistent basis w/his FB and learn how to throw some kind of breaking pitch that hitters have to respect.
Vargas will be the long man so that if Pelfrey falters or if Pedro gets hurt again, they will have him around. Muniz has options. He is NO bound.
The Mets can’t give up on Heilman. They can’t rely only on Sanchez as your 8th inn guy. The Mets are going to play to many close games to have just one setup guy.
If the Mets do anything w/Heilman it will be to trade him for another setup guy. Then everyone will be shocked that they only got a reliever.
Heilman was already on the block in the last two weeks. Omar tried to trade him for a setup guy, but nobody wanted him.
The only thing is to send him down to AAA to straighten himself out. Keep Pelfery and Vargas with the club and decide which one goes where.You can always switch them back if it does not work out. As for Ollie, his agent is Scott Boras, so there is no 1-2 yr deal with him. He will try to convince teams that he is the greatest thing since sliced bread and get a big contract for him If he falters this year, He will claim that it was a fluke and the pressure of playing in NY was too much for Ollie.
Weaver is a Boras client too. He has signed several 1 yr deals.
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