Ed I think everyone said the same exact words last year wehn Pelfrey was sent down. It didn’t work.

My recommendation is give it 2 more weeks and without a turn around, Willie, Peterson, and HoJo need to be fired. Wright needs to move to 1B. One of the youngsters needs to play 3B. Mgmt should consider DFAing Easley, Anderson, Chavez, Alou, Delgado, and El Duque. Instead of “rebuilding” let’s “re-tool!”

1. Career AAAA players aren’t brought up to help a team. There’s a reason he’s a AAAA player. You bring up Val and you axe anyone on the bench there is no change. You are deceived by a guy’s numbers in the PCL.
2. You bring up a flock from AA then you keep Pelfrey because you have given up on this year. You don’t send down one kid bring up another, etc. That’s the Omar plan. Plan for a second. If you plan for a future your plan is to play kids no matter what or only play them when you have no other choice. You want it it every way. You like the Omar plan.

Ed Yes Pelfrey doesn’t have any pitches to go with his fastball, but if you send him down and tell him to stay with the same repetoire you gain nothing. Look, I’m not saying he’s big league ready, but if you are giving up on the season NY is the place for him to figure it out. And if you aren’t giving up, you better make a trade because all you have as a sub for him are new versions of Lima time.

I do like the Pascucci idea more than Murphy or Carp.

though he is not good in the field.

Send him to AAA to work on another pitch. The guy was told to drop the curve and use a slider, but was not given the innings in the minors to develop the pitch.

Leaving him in the majors to learn and get killed is not going to help his confidence. To say sending him down will hurt his confidence sompletely ignores that.

If you want to bring up the Binghamton bashers you don’t send Pelfrey down. You go young, you live and die with the young. And you try to dump as many vets as you can during the year.
If you want to bring up Pascucci the question is why? We already have lousy fielding, lousy clutch hitting guys on the bench now.
If you have problems with Pelfrey’s pitches then blame Peterson. Pelfrey had a slow curve ball in college and in the minors and Peterson had him ditch it. Obviously, a very bad move.
Yesterday’s game I blame on the Wilpons and the press. The team had to mentally exhausted with all the Willie crap for nothing.

send Pelfrey down to NO, and leave him there. Let him stay there until September call ups.

Promote Carp and Murphy. What will it hurt? I feel pretty confident Carp can do as much as Delgado is doing right now. Murphy is on a tear in NO, promote him, send down Chavez or someone I don’t care.

I think the problem with this team, is that when they were all in their prime, yeah this team would be nasty. However, too many key guys are either hurt or just too old, and are expectations were just too high for this team.

Delcos-you do a great job of offering your insight on this team. What changes would you make?

Reyes
G AB R H D T HR RBI W SO SB CS BA OBP
160 677 95 187 34 17 20 78 65 95 51 17 .276 .335
These numbers are close to 06 except for BA

Castillo
151 568 87 147 16 4 4 52 87 56 36 4 .259 .361
His BA is down, but his OBP is at his career level

Wright
162 635 96 179 46 3 30 119 99 116 23 13 .281 .379
All close to career, except BA

Beltran
162 595 112 155 46 10 13 96 99 112 20 3 .261 .365
Obviously the HRs would be way down, but his 2B are up. Maybe the knee is dropping the power some.

Church
159 570 118 176 24 3 31 111 59 138 3 3 .309 .376
Obviously he is the most difficult to project. But if Church did this batting 5th, he’d make up for Delgado.

Delgado
161 607 77 131 23 0 27 84 67 138 0 0 .215 .294
The BA is bad, which reflects on the OBP. But if he is batting 6th or 7th, 27HR/84RBI is fine.

As for pelfrey, I think he just booked his ticket to NO. With Pedro scheduled to pitch in SF, I’d guess Pelf is out and Vargas stays. pelfrey has had plenty of opportunity. If he can’t picth b/c he thinks he might lose his job, then maybe he just can’t pitch. I just think he has no pitches to get hitters out. He was rushed up here w/o developing command of any pitches. And worse, Omar and his crew drafted him and did not idenitfy his flawed secondary picthes nor his poor makeup.

As far as rebuilding. What do they have to rebuild with? Mets are going to have to throw even more $$ at this roster in the offseason b/c there is no one on the farm that is a lock to be productive right away, if at all.

The Mets don’t have a farm sys like other teams. Never have and w/Omar I wonder if they ever will.

And b/c of the lack of a farm sys, this org is going to continue to be on a roller coaster of a couple of good yrs followed by a number of bad. Especially now more than ever as more teams lock up their young talent and the FA market dries up.

I’ve seen more two out with no runners on base rallies this year against the mets than I can remember in the last 5 years. It’s just not Pelfrey it’s all the met pitchers, even Santana has done it this year. I think Peterson needs to go, he is not doing a good job with the met pitchers.

But… what can you really do about it? Jerk him back down to AAA and plug in the zombie remains of some washed-up vet the Mets have been hiding in New Orleans, out of the desperate desire to reclaim an already-basically-lost season?

Eventually, the day has to come where you stick with your rookies, come hell or high water, or why have a minor league system at all?

Why draft anyone at all when you’re just gonna plug in some dude who had a good year ten years ago and is awful now when the going gets tough?

The moment young guys will start developing on the Mets is the moment when they know they can mess up a little… even mess up a lot… without fearing the hot breath of someone who Used To Be Good on their neck.

Until then, Pelfrey and any other young player is going to play tight and distracted.

RAY

A runner on first with two outs in the top of the first should not end up as a two-run rally. You gotta get the next batter and move on with the game.