Mets Chat Room: A manager under the gun.
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Welcome back to Mets Chat Room.
The story swirling around the Mets is about Willie Randolph. I just filed this based on our briefing with Randolph a little over an hour ago. This will be the backdrop Mets Chat Room.
DENVER _ It wasn’t supposed to be this way.
Two months into the season, the Mets, wounded from last September’s collapse, vowed they would be a focused, inspired team this year.
Carlos Beltran called them the team to beat, and he’s been right, they are the team everybody is beating.
“The worst is only over if we start playing better baseball,’’ manager Willie Randolph said of being swept by the Braves. “Losing three games is bad enough. Losing four games in a row is a hind-kicking.’’
Randolph wouldn’t comment on his meeting next week with owner Fred Wilpon and his son, chief operating officer, Jeff, nor would he say he was disappointed his apology hasn’t been publicly acknowledged.
“I’m still here,’’ Randolph said, then added, the only penicillin needed for the Mets to get well is winning.
So, with general manager Omar Minaya en route from New York and his players defending him in the clubhouse, Randolph speaks of perseverance.
“This is one of those tough spots of the year where you’ve got to fight through it and not overreact and keep fighting to get back,’’ Randolph said.“We’ve just been really inconsistent, so we’ve got to turn that around in Colorado.’’
Not once did Randolph speak of winning to save his job, which has been a hot-button topic since he trampled the sensitivities of ownership this week when he suggested criticism of him was racially motivated, and then said the club’s cable network, SNY, delighted in showing him in a negative light.
The Mets are more in front on the issue of race than most professional sports entities _ they will have a Jackie Robinson Rotunda to highlight their $800 million ballpark _ and that had to sting the Wilpons.
Minaya has not spoken out for Randolph this week, and a phone call from him to the manager “on behalf of the Wilpons,’’ as said by a club spokesman, doesn’t carry much support weight.
Minaya, who missed the carnage of the Atlanta series, will be in Denver, perhaps to prep Randolph on his meeting with the Wilpons next week.
“Omar is the GM,’’ Randolph said about whether he reads anything into the visit. “He comes and goes as he pleases. … I don’t read anything in that.’’
It’s easy to tell when a manager loses his team. You hear it in the whispers, but that hasn’t been the case with Randolph.
“The problem isn’t in there,’’ said David Wright, nodding toward Randolph’s office.
“We’re professionals. We’re getting paid a lot of money. We shouldn’t need a manager to motivate us. As players, we need to take that responsibility.’’
Wright noticed anguish Thursday he didn’t see in the first three games of the series. He sensed hurt and embarrassment among his teammates.
“I refuse to believe that,’’ was Wright’s response when asked if he considered .500 might be as good as gets for the Mets this year. “I think we have too much talent. We are too good a team to be average and mediocre.
“We don’t want Willie to be fired. But, we want to win to win. We’re not thinking of winning to save Willie’s job.
“Guys were hurt. Guys were upset. We got embarrassed in Atlanta.’’
And, fair or not, if the Mets are embarrassed here, then Randolph gets the blame. It doesn’t matter that he hasn’t thrown a pitch; hasn’t swung a bat; he didn’t assemble the roster.
“I’m the manager,’’ Randolph said. “Fair or not, that’s the way it is.’’
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That turn of phrase regarding Beltran’s prediction is going to make Mike Lupica jealous. Kudos.
OK, my wife made me a BIG pina colada, knowing I’d need it to get through another night of Mets baseball…
Gil: A little less pina and a little more rum might be in order.-JD
JD: What’s up with Church? Why isn’t he in the lineup?
Another thing against Omar, but I think it speaks volumes that we go down an OF and the person that gets called up is a catcher who can’t play OF at all. What the hell sense did that make?? it just means that there is crap for OF talent down at AAA…can’t blame Willie for that one either.
Start pouring the rum…I’ll lift my glass to Garrett Atkins…
Nice pitch Ollie…
John – Is David the only player speaking out on behalf of Willie and the team?
RMK: Did you not see the end of the second game of the doubleheader in Atlanta the other day?
To RMKMets: He said he’s a little dizzy and nauseous. He hopes tomorrow but won’t make any predictions.-JD
Dare I say it? We have the ``Bad Ollie’’ tonight.-JD
This is &%$#%^* comedy!
Making another unheralded pitcher look like Cy Young.
Who the hell is this Greg Reynolds guy, anyway?
Now he’s fanned four Mets in two innings?
Jets remember last years choke, whats to celebrate, more losers on this site and immigrant lovers.
There has to be something wrong with Perez, none of those pitches to Reynolds were even close…
Scott, are you tipsy like me?
What the *&%$ are you talking about?!
Here comes The Jacket. What could he be saying that he hasn’t said before?-JD
The issue isn’t the number of Latino players are on the Mets’ roster. The issue is the number of good players are on the Mets’ roster.-JD
JD: Maybe the jacket is asking Ollie if he’d put ketchup on ice cream, the way he asked John Maine a couple of years ago.
“Ollie, I don’t really giving a flying $*#^ what you do, I get a free pass… I’m Rick Peterson. I have a mullet and a Jacket with a long sleeve under armor suit in 90 degree heat.”
JD-
Radio host here said that he asked Keith H. if he’d take the job if asked and keith said he would. This team sleep walks through this series and I dont know how they can keep him. DW is the only one saying Willie hasnt lost them and actions speak louder then words….
Gil; Yesterday you said you were blacked out. Not so lucky today my firend? The other day this site had a great conversation on race in America led by you. Today we have trash. Maybe Delcos was right and it is hopeless.
This whole “too many Latin players on the Mets” thing is beyond me.
A Latino GM can’t acquire “too many” Latinos, but since MLB began, white GMs (read, every other Mets GM before Minaya) have stockpiled white players and no one bats an eye.
I have to ask… what correlation is there between “Willie losing the team” and “awful hitting”??? Becuase I don’t see one…
Guv: Comments like someone complaining about “immigrant lovers” on this board sure doesn’t give me much hope of eradicating racism. But as I said the other night, we’ve got to keep the faith and live out our values.
Sadly, xenophobia is also alive and well in South Africa where violent groups of Zulus are murdering immigrants from other African countries.
Josh –
its not just hitting its an attitude, demeanor, lack of execution offensively and defensively. Failure to consitently play fundamentally sound baseball. This is a team that most experts predicted to win the NL with the roster it has, it’s the mgr. job to get the most from his players and Willie isn’t.
Look at the roster Bobby V. took to the NLCS and WS, by position not one of them is better then this team. I dont think Bobby V. will be coming back but thats an example of managing a team.
Yeah, absolutely. I’d take Schneider over Piazza seven days a week and twice on Sundays. Alfonzo over Castillo? Nah. Olerud over Delgado? I’d have to be a racist.
ed: I’ve always thought the 2000 Mets were a lot better than people gave them credit for being. Their pitching was very good and even without John Olerud and Rickey Henderson (for three-quarters of the year) and a down year from Robin Ventura, they held their own.
Will someone tell me why the double steal wasn’t called with one out and a right-handed hitter up?
BULLETIN: Omar Minaya is here. He said: ``Willie Randolph is our manager. He has my support and he has the support of ownership.’’
Minaya said the meeting next week, maybe Monday or Tuesday, will not be for Randolph to lobby for his job.
Minaya downplayed the Wilpons not returning Randolph’s call and said his visit, in part, is to express management’s support.-JD
In explaining how it was too early to make such a decision, Willie noted that RFK had been assassinated in June…
Delgado has a book that he puts in a note about every at bat, every pitcher, every miniscule detail. Does he forget to write there are no defenders between the shortstop position and third base? He got a lot of credit for being an analytical hitter in 06, but he can not adjust to poke the ball the other way. He should not be in the major leagues.
Good one, Tiff.
Oh No! Just what we need—another injury. Is this team snake-bitten or what?
Oh my gosh Scott the White guy failed in the clutch. Too many Whites on the team scott?
Great, another OF injured…
We need to make a trade for an OF, and quick…
Guv: Scott had to go—he was late to his Klan cross-burning.
Fernando Tatis in left for the Mets.-JD
The next call up is???? Marlon is out for a long time.
In case you guys haven’t heard, Fernando Martinez is on the minor league DL with a hamstring injury.-JD
What’s the matter with Perez, he had the guy easy at second. I know, I know, asking what’s wrong with Perez is a loaded question.-JD
Paging Ricky Ledee…Ricky Ledee…pick up the phone, Ricky. All is forgiven…
Tiffany: Ricky Ledee? Please tell me you didn’t just go THERE. :)
Benny Abgayani is still playing for Bobby V in Japan. He ain’t good but he tries real hard.
...collect call from Tony Bernazard…do you accept the charges?
I loved Benny. He gets some face time on that excellent ESPN documentary on Bobby Valentine, “The Zen of Bobby V.”
It is a known fact that white and colored players are leaders, namea team with this much Latina influence from the top down that had succeeded. Lets bea Queens and Osland team again.
Tiffany: To quote Gomer Pyle on your last suggestion: ``Shame, shame, shame.’’
By the way, I got a lovely email at 5:30 this morning. I read it while I was checking in at the Atlanta airport. It read simply: ``Your life is crap.’’
I beg to differ. They have animal crackers and milk in the press box here. All is good.-JD
God help me, I’d take Bobby Valentine back at this point.
And were doing the sleep walk…..
Scott: Roberto Clemente wasn’t a leader? David Ortiz isn’t a leader on the Red Sox? Pedro Martinez isn’t a leader? Pudge Rodriguez wasn’t a leader in Florida or Detroit?
Sorry, I’m not buying that.-JD
Mike C: Bobby V is quite happy in Japan managing the Chiba Lotte Marines. If you haven’t seen the ESPN documentary, “The Zen of Bobby V,” check it out. Bobby has assimilated very well into the Japanese culture and is revered and appreciated there by the people.
JD, I got that email at work too, must have been a braves fan.
C’mon Mike C., you can’t mean it.-JD
JD-
do you get the sense these guys would go through walls for willie because from watching on the tv aside from wright they act like they could careless about him.
Omar is in town with speculation that he could lose his job and these guys have two hits on a rookie in colorado
Scott: Have you amassed all the ignorance as you’re displaying as you’ve aged, or were you born with it?
Your comments are beyond racist. They’re flat out stupid. They make Archie Bunker and Jimmy the Greek sound like rocket scientists.
JD – While it is still the case that I come here for your incite and insider incite – I have to say that if Tiffany starts a blog I’m going there too.
What a sense of humor, sarcasm and wit. She makes points I want to in such a way that I am shamed into not bothering. Gotta love it.
Sorry Tiff just saw your comment I agree with Mike I forgot about him senior moment the others i still disagree with
edfever: I don’t think these guys will go through a wall for Willie or for anyone else for that matter. Wright plays with passion. I sense that in Church and Schneider, too. The others? They either make too much money (Beltran), are too old and on the way out (Delgado and Alou), see their future elsewhere (Perez) or are taking up space (Castillo), to care.
Let’s face it, there is a listless feeling around here, but it’s not all Randolph. This is a poorly assembled team. They’ve never been the same since Molina took Heilman deep.-JD
2 outs, nobody on, and he walks the bases loaded… god I hate Perez..
Continued Carter: “There’s way too much talent there for them to be a game under .500 and to lose four in a row to the Braves. That’s just kind of uncalled for, and I think that they’ve just become complacent in some ways and ever since their demise of last year. And if you look at Willie’s record, it is right around .500 since June of last year. And when you have that much talent, there are a lot more expectations than where they’re at right now.â€
Three walks and the jacket just woke up and ran out to see Perez. Peterson asked him; “How does my mullet look?” and OP said; “What?”. Peterson got his camera time, OP then gets the batter out and once again the jacket is our savior!!!
A team with too much Latino influence can’t succeed?
Hmmm…I seem to remember the 2005 White Sox.
Their manager was Latino, their general manager was African-American, their winning pitcher in a four-game sweep who pitched a complete game shutout was Venezuelan, some other Latino pitcher nicknamed “El Duque” played a big role in the post-season for them, too.
Oh—and their shortstop was Latino, as were a couple of other pitchers and their second baseman was Japanese.
So much for a diverse talent pool uniting to achieve great things.
Anyone have George Theodore’s number for Omar?
Gil: Thanks for mentioning them. An omission on my part. I thought I did good on the list I had.
By the way, seven walks tonight for Oliver Perez. Seven times in his career he’s walked that many. Who says there’s no consistency with the Mets?-JD
I just got in and turn on the TV and see the mets got one stinking run against another mediocre pitcher. In anybodies right mind how is this Willie’s fault, this team sucks offensively, there is no other way to say it. I don’t care what manager you bring in it’s not going to make this team hit.
ed: Did you check out the column on Carter online in today’s Orange County Register? Interesting read. If Willie gets canned, the Kid would be an intriguing option to succeed him. He’d probably hire Mookie Wilson as a coach and Wally Backman as a base coach, if ownership would let him.
We interrupt this blog to bring you the following news bulletin: ``Carlos Delgado has just hit a meaningful home run for the Mets. This is not a joke.’’-JD
Holy Lazerus batman
Delgado and Tatis back to back?
Scott: First Delgado, then Tatis. Indeed, too much Latino influence is hurting the Rockies.
It’s about time, that’s what I’m talking about, back to back baby.
jd, I saw your comment about how this is a poorly assembled team. I’ve been saying this for days on this blog. If anybody should be fired it’s Omar, not Willie.
Holy Tatis Batman!
Tatis has gone deep. Would I lie to you?-JD
Tomg: You’re my muse.-JD
Signs of offensive life…what a concept. Hope they keep a close eye on OP so he does not give it back.
Oh my gosh, Scott just did himself in…..
PS: Despite the horrible pitching Perez did something nobody on the staff did in Atlanta. Somehow he kept the team in the game. And he’s still pitching…. How big an indictment of the Met bullpen is that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Let Ollie back out or go to the pen?
Ollie missed tying Mike Hampton’s all-time Mets mark for most walks issued in a game by one.
Gil – I rem. carter getting under some of the 86 teams players for being too much but maybe short term it would work
ken oberkfell should get a shoot at bench coach at least
I see another over the hill player on the mets is hurt (marlon anderson), another genius move by Omar. We should call the mets the New York social security retirement fund.
How about bring in Milton Bradley he’ll fight everybody and is hitting .300 texas would take Heilman and are sellers
Um, Marlon was easily our best pinchitter last year, it would’ve been idiotic not to resign him…
8 walks by Perez… how did he only give up 2 runs?
what is over the hill I always thought prime was 28-34 and productive were 34-38 … but i keep hearing guys say there over the hill castillo is 33, anderson is 34, delgado 36 they are injury prone but over the hill
ed: If you bring in Milton Bradley, you better re-hire Dr. Alan Lans, the Mets team psychotherapist from the ‘80s. Bradley’s got issues.
What about the Mets trading for Coco Crisp to play left?
Oh, I’m sorry, not over the hill, injury prone. Than this is the new york health care fund.
What a surprise. A Mets reliever allows inherited runners to score. Oh, I forgot. Joe Smith led the league last year in allowing inherited runners to score. In Billy Wagner’s famous words: ”*&^%$% shocker!”
And there goes the lead….knew it was too good to be true.
Nah what doesnt kill you makes you stronger bring the pit bull into the flock see who lasts
You know your team is a bad team when you get runs to take the lead and than give than right back the next half inning. This team is not going to turn anything around, I just don’t see it unless Omar hires a hypnotis and brain washes all the met players in to thinking they are the best player at there position and than they play like they are the best players at there position.
Ok … who out there drinks while you watch the ballclub?-JD
ed: Who are you now with the pit bull references, Michael Vick? :)
Omar might be here to make a trade not fire willie. they needed an outfielder before anderson went down. now endy is a starter and he hasnt hiy since the hammy last year
At least Tatis did not get hurt catching the ball.
Can anybody tell me why peterson doesn’t take any hits. Why isn’t anybody complaining that he should be fired. it’s not like the Mets pitchers are lighting it up. Yes, the pitchers are getting lit up. I think peterson should be fired because the met pitching stinks.
Gil: i wouldn’t go there I meant Bradley it would be like bringing back Kent. If they didnt get fired up for a game he’d fight them and if they did he fight everybody else, coaches, fans umps, opposing players…
Peterson should go as well bring up warthen from AAA
One of the Rockies TV announcers said, upon seeing Damion Easley come out to pinch hit, and I quote: “These Mets have got some relics on their team.”
There is the exact thing I said about reyes today. I mean common, we got something f-in going and instead of working the count he swings at the first pitch.
relics, do I hear over the hill, new york retirement fund, nah, just injury prone.
Metsblog – valentin just played a minor league rehab game 2-3 calling stache = playing bench coach
Pitch out with Easley on base? Why?
Castillo can really bust it to first, can’t he???
TOMG i just asked what you considered over the hill, no answer except mocking whats up with that
For as much as people are carping on Willie Randolph, where is ANY criticism of hitting coach Howard Johnson?
Before tonight, was HoJo talking to Carlos Delgado about hitting? Does HoJo not talk to Jose Reyes about situational hitting? Does he tell Reyes there’s no rule that requires him to swing at the first pitch a just-installed relief pitcher throws him?
over the hill to me is a player who is past there prime potential shows signs of going downhill. I even consider castillo over the hill. Age doesn’t mean anything, it’s the mileage.
If people want Randolph fired than the whole coaching staff needs to go.
They walk more guys after going up 0-2. this has to be taught, this must be a Peterson thing too many of them do it. get ahead and then nibble, teams know the theory so they lay off.
only one id keep is hojo
Gil in Savannah, GA,
that was my point today about reyes, I mean the mets got something going and he swings at the first pitch and does what he usually does, pops up. If Reyes ever learned how to work a count and swing at his pitch he will be a mvp candidate. The problem with reyes is he has s@@t between the ears, not much baseball smarts up there but all the talent in the world.
tomg: If Willie were to get fired, it would be fair to axe all of his coaches, but it would be damn hard to replace all of them mid-season.
Gil in Savannah, GA,
something is telling me that Omar doesn’t want to fire willie because there isn’t anybody available that Omar would want as a replacement. I have a feeling Randolph is going to be here for a while unless the mets totally tank, like last place tank.
ed: Based on what the Mets (lack of) offense has achieved this year, why would you keep HoJo? Does he not bear some responsibility for these guys not hitting and as tomg says, having lousy situational at-bats?
Beltran’s up at the plate like he has somewhere to go after the game. Talk about working a counr, lets swing at three pitches, this team looks like they don’t want to be here, there is something totally wrong with this team.
now we have delgado swinging at a pitch over his head. There up at the plate like they have dinner reservation at midnight.
Armas just threw his second stellar game in a row – seven innings no runs, two hits, two walks and nine SO his ERA is down to 2.34 – BB 12/ 44 SO . batters hitting .220 ( lefties .180)
tomg: I’m one of the few people who doesn’t believe Willie should be fired for this year’s lackluster start.
I’d give him until the end of the year.
Firing him would be a useless, symbolic gesture and you’re right, there’s no adequate replacement who could step in mid-season and right he ship.
I’ve said the following many times: A tough, no-nonsense manager isn’t going to make any difference. Players have no fear of displeasing managers anymore. Not when they make 100 times more than their supervisors.
probably intially said that because it’s Hojo (loyalty) but your probably right
so, I see Atlanta got rocked by Arizona tonight 11-1, Gil in Savannah, GA, that was my point when you said you were going to here it from people at work. Like the Philly fans the brave fans think they won the world series when they beat the mets, the problem though is they have a hard time beating the rest of the national league. Philly and Florida also lost so a win here would be a triple whamy.
Do I hear “insurance run”.
Willie is Torre’s prodigy the only difference is those premadonnas across town would have gone through walls for Torre… We need a guy these players would do the same for, big market teams will always have big market payrolls its who can get the most from them, Willie is Buck the next guy needs to Joe….
Gil: you keep Willie your throwing away the season, I’m not saying a new mgr. will make everything rosy but I do know one thing: Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results is insane.
ya gotta laugh
ed: Would firing Willie prevent Billy Wagner from giving up a game-tying bomb?
Way to go Wagner…..Who should they talk to now?
un-fu@@king believable. I’m sure we should fire willie for wagner giving up a home run. It doesn’t matter who you bring in, this team is just not a good team.
ed: There’s hardly any manager anywhere any player would run out a pop-up or grounder for, let alone walk through a wall for.
well, we all know what’s coming up next!!!!!
Wow, the redneck blows a big game, f-in shocker…
This is why Billy should NEVER say anything ever, he can’t back himself up…
As a writer on deadline, you don’t know how much that ticks me off.-JD
Gil – if they were playing hard and excuting it wouldn’t be a one run game
I hope Ollie rips Wagner a new one in the media for not doing his job tonight.
Like I said, we all know what’s coming next!!!!
This is the mets collapsing art the end of last year, nothing has changed and bringing in anybody isn’t going to change crap in to gold. This team is a bad team, they can’t do anything right.
Sorry Gil we’ll politely have to agree to disagree on Willie – you can call him the sacrificial lamb for all I care I think the team needs a shake up and i start with the mgr and his staff- if they don’t respond then at the end of the year you clean house…..
thats right this was ollies game nice wags blows his game
Gil: OP would have more cred if he didn’t walk eight and blow the lead in the sixth.-JD
How many times have I heard gary cohen say something like “wagner hasn’t given up a earn run all year” and than BANG homerun. This guy jinxes the mets all the time. Sometimes I wish he would shut the f@@ck up.
That was a sweet play by Reyes. Somebody must have lit a fire under his butt. Maybe he has a date tonight.-JD
ed: Yes, we’ll respectfully disagree on Willie’s fate. A shakeup for the sake of a shakeup accomplishes nothing. You want to send a message? Send Heilman to AAA. Bench Reyes when he’s not producing. Platoon Delgado with Tatis at first if you must.
Bottom line: Players are the ones being paid to get it done. As Morpheus famously said to Neo in “The Matrix,” “I can show you the door, but you have to walk through it.”
Never mind.-JD
Who the f—k teaches baserunning on this team?? Idiots…
you have got to be kidding me
Like I said, reyes has sh@@t between his ears, what a dumb stupid moron.
YOU’VE GOT TO BE FREAKING KIDDING ME.
You’re the winning run, you’re in scoring position and you get picked off?
BENCH REYES FOR THE REST OF THE WEEKEND.
I wonder if this is what hell is like?
JD: Actually, if you check baseballreference.com, Ollie, in his limited opportunities in the post-season has far outperformed Wagner in these games. Wagner has an awful post-season ERA and has never won a post-season game.
Two words for Billy Wagner: So Taguchi.
The funny thing is, that during the break, Reyes went over to third base coach Sandy Alomar to talk. Have to find out what was said.-JD
There is no way the mets are winning this game. The rockies are a bad team this year. Well, guess what, the mets just got a promotion, there worse than the rockies. This team is going down and it’s accelerating at a fast pace.
Reyes must have studied bace running with Roger Cedeno. Nothing more stupid…..this is why it is so painful to watch. Wright just completed another great inning for them. Whether it be tonight or some other night, the only way the Mets are going to win is by accident.
I just threw up in my mouth when i saw reyes get picked off. perhaps this team isnt meant to win. seriously when does that happen? and tomg is right on multiple levels, we’re worse than the rockies and we have a 0% chance of winning this game
Kevin: If so, then I must have sinned in a previous life.-JD
I dont think willie showed them the right door using your analodgy – you dont think these guys start to roll their eyes and say what the $%#^ when he marches Heilman or Mota out every other day… or puts the same zeroxed line-up card out during the colapse. leave them out to dry against the umps…..
right on que david wright, nice play at third, the mets are a bad team getting worse each day.
David Wright played that well. Who did he think was running, Reyes? Oh that is right, Reyes would have probably run to third by mistake and got tagged out.
Stillsane: The only way the Mets would win at this point is by a forfeit by the opposition.
If Aaron Cook beats us… god help me
what a perfect day for a loss, everyone else in the nl east lost today, so rather than waste energy trying to win and catch up in the race, let’s just get picked off second or even better- strike out swingin, and just get this whole extra-innings thing overwith
Gil, I have to agree. A pitcher pinch hitting and Wagner is pitching around him. Just plain dumbfounding.
o and a throwing error might be nice too.
wouldn’t it be perfect if this guy gets a hit
They are lucky they are on the road right now. I can not even imagine the Shea faithful if this were a homegame.
Neither Willie, nor any manager can get umps to reverse their calls. Bobby Cox is a strong tactician. He doesn’t win because he gets ejected from games.
Willie certainly showed these guys the door in 2006.
Now it seemes like it’s only a matter of time till upper management shows the door to Willie.
bad news bears vs. new york mets- who wins?
Wow. Someone made a worse baserunning mistake than Reyes?
Thank you Torrealba. Maybe he was watching Reyes!
This is the battle of who is the dumbest and worse team in the national league, this is unbelievable, what am I watching here, little league.
Hmm, it doesn’t seem like the Rockies are interested in winning this game either…
interesting… it looks like neither team wants to win this game
Well that was dumber than Reyes…
Cox came out and saved his kid by arguing with the umps – while willie let ollie flounder Braves win…. Its not about the call its about the message. By the way I thought the team out played Willie’s tatical mistakes in 2006 and when they came back down to earth all his warts showed
Gil: Yeah, go figure. By the way, you still throwing down those pina coladas?-JD
I can’t even imagine what it will be like when the mets go back to shea. The mets better where ear plugs because there not going to like what they hear.
I think Torrealba may have 5 g’s on the Mets in this game, that’s the only possible explanation.
Geez, beltran blows big time, where is his head, surely not in this game.
Wow – Who woke up Pedro Cerrano? Delgado must have dinner reservations.
Im smoked
I think delgado is on performance enhancing drugs!!!!
JD: I’ve switched to Xingu—a great beer from Brasil.
hey doesn anyone remember the game last year at florida where marlon anderson hit a bases-clearing triple and gave the mets a two run lead in a game that they had been losing all along up until that point, and then in the bottom of the ninth the first two batters got to second and third with no one out and long story short we lost the game?
well anyways i always thought that was the worst game i’d seen since 2000, but tonight’s preformance might take the cake.
Pinch hit Castro
Gil: Will give it a try. Next time Mets are in Atlanta, I’ll buy the first round._JD
schneider is in a huge slump
Can Schneider get a hit… ever?
Duaner looks like he rushed back a little, been making me nervous lately
no, schieder is living up to his reputation which is he isn’t a good hitter. Actually the book on scheider was he is a terrible hitter.
the next time the mets are in atlanta is in september… lets all think about where this team may be… i’d be embarrassed to even show up to turner.
Duaner sanchez in 2006 had a fastball consistently at 96-97, now it’s 90-91, he will never be the same again, period.
That fastball was 89, he use to throw 96-97, sanchez will never be the pitcher he was unfortunately.
I’ve enjoyed watching the Mets so much lately, I’m glad they decided to extend this one for my viewing pleasure.
you know, i really hope this game doesn’t end up relying on heilman trying to save it.
JD: You’re on, bro. My wife and I are making the four-hour drive to Atlanta in September…I hope those will be “meaningful” games!
or maybe wise can give up another walk off shot
John, I doubt it, heilman will come out next inning with a tie game and the rockies will win.
Can anybody tell me what the difference is when Ollie pitches 4 innings and kills the bull pen to when wagner blows a save and our entire bull pen has to pitch in to the 15 inning?
tomg: Excellent question.
is heilman warming up? i figured it would be feliciano with helton and posednick coming up
Reyes, please take a pitch!!!
From the movie Airplane: ``Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit drinking.’’-JD
Get Reyes out of there before he gets tossed.-JD
Nick Evans just recalled AA first baseman
Hey everyone,
Brian Moritz here from the Press & Sun-Bulletin in Binghamton. I cover the Double-A Binghamton Mets, and tonight Nick Evans (who has played first base, third base and left field for the B-Mets) was called up from Binghamton to New York.
Evans is leaving Binghamton at 6 a.m. Saturday and will join the Mets today in Colorado.
Here’s a link to my story: http://cmsedit.gdn.pressconnects.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080523/SPORTS/80524001/1003
If that pitch to Reyes was a strike then I’m the last king of Scotland.
well, your now seeing the frustration building with wright and reyes, don’t seem to see it in beltran though, it appears beltran doesn’t really care.
I wonder how many pitches it will take before Helton hits his walkoff against Heilman…
Tomg: Be careful what you ask for. That’s strike three. And, since you’re hot, here comes Heilman.-JD
Gil- yes i think willie should have absolutely lost his mind. show his guys some fire and that he has there back, its not about the strike three its about the message. Giardi played it to perfection last night, coaches are as much psycholigists as they are managers
That was a terrible call…
well, here is home run Heilman, this game isn’t far from being over.
As Peter Griffin on “Family Guy” would say: “Oh, god. Oh, god.” Heilman’s in the game. How long til he gives up a walkoff jack?
i’ll take the under on 25 pitches
Thanks Brian.-JD
JD, I didn’t say take a pitch with two strikes and the ball down the middle of the plate.
Gil: You can never go wrong in my book quoting Family Guy.-JD
ed: Sorry. I’m just not buying that Joe Girardi going ballistic somehow influenced Robinson Cano to strike a well-placed game-winning single to left.
well, heilman wants to be a starter, here is his chance.
If it’s not with his pitches, Heilman hurts us with his glove.
theres the wheels for heilman – watch them come off
two out hits, ugh
I get the feeling that the mets don’t want to win another game this year, weird feeling.
Gil- how about cox losing his mind on the ump for squeazing jurjens and then the kid looking great afterwards – is it all a coincidence or is some of it mental
From my wife: “Castillo looks like a blubbery whale out there.” Ouch!
edfever: I know what you’re saying about a manager losing it to send a message and I agree. But, with all Willie has gone through this week, it would come across as phony.-JD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNloEIJRAOs&feature=related
a very fitting family guy clip
Tomg not sure how old you are but this is nothing compared to late 70s early 80s – it took awhile to lower my expectations but now that their down its not as ugly as then
Dumb luck someone scores a run eventually… right?
JD- fair enough I would agree with that but there is something to it in their head guys try harder ‘coaches got my back or oh sh88 i pissed him off’
unfortunately I will be reaching the half century mark, that’s how old I am. Watch when Beltran comes up to the plate. He will swing at anything like he doesn’t want to be here, maybe it’s me.
Awful at bat by Beltran…
There you go, he swings at the first pitch!!!!
good call tomg
ed: Lou Piniella ranted and raved all last year at the helm of the Cubs. Where’s it get them? A three-and-out loss to Arizona in the NLCS. Matter of fact in one of those games, Cubs’ pitcher Ted Lilly threw his glove down on the mound after allowing a home run. Earlier in the season, teammates Carlos Zambrano and Michael Barrett fought each other in the dugout after not agreeing on signs.
If teams are reflective of their managers’ personalities than last year’s Cubs were hot-headed also-rans.
Beltran should be sat, he is playing like he doesn’t even want to play, I can’t take him anymore.
I think there allergic to the phrase clutch hitting
I wish the mets would just lose already instead of wasting the bull pen, we all know what the inevitable outcome is going to be so just get it over with already, geez.
I rather have a team that prefered to fight and loss then shake hands and tip their cap. losings a reality its how you lose…..
give me Ty Cobb over Joe D anyday sorry just my preference
heilman’s making me nervous I had the under at 25 pitches
ed: Uh, ok. Ty Cobb was a racist Neanderthal who once beat up a man in a wheelchair and woud stab with his switchblade anyone he didn’t like. Real character guy.
What else can we bitch about? Oh yeah, just once I want to see Castillo dive for a ball and make a play. He has no range.-JD
Can’t anybody play this here game?
wow, 3 1/2 more years of castillo, nice job Omar, this is some team you have assembled here, let me congratulate you on a excellent job.
How long ‘til Heilman blows it?
I think two scoreless innings out of heilman is just too much to ask.
I meant as a baseball player gil not who he was personally.
This is some of the worse baseball I’ve seen played in a long time. Unfortunately since I am a met fan I probably will be seeing more of it.
I think you get my point its just a matter of us disagreeing, but it is keeping my mind off this game there trying to give away
Gil in Savannah, GA May 24th, 2008 at 1:18 am
How long ‘til Heilman blows it?
be patient, it’s coming!!!
ed: I know, but I also could never cheer for or want on my team that scumbag Michael Vick.
WHY IN HELL IS HEILMAN BEING ALLOWED TO PITCH TO MATT HOLLIDAY?
I don’t want to pitch to Holliday here.-JD
and there it is…..............
There you go!!!!!! Lets go Muts, you make me proud!!!!
F—k this stupid piece of sh*t team…
pathetic
Thanks Heilman. Can he please be sent away. Any where would be fine. Also, will wait until tomorrow to see what Wagner has to say about this one!
Gil – was talking about a fiery player rose, dykstra, knight etc…. not a criminal
I’m actually enjoying watching this team lose, this is fun. I wonder how long they can keep this streak going?
Good thing I’m drunk
With first base open, it is absolutely inexcusable for a struggling pitcher to be pitching to a hitter like Holliday.
That decision is on Willie and The Jacket. Terrible decision. This season is rapidly circling the drain.
Send all of them here to Savannah and bring up our Single A Sand Gnats.
I actually think wagner blowing this save is allot worse than Oliie not making it out of the third inning against the pirates. Wagner should never say another word because he is known for blowing saves, usually in a big game.
Tomg Kevin and Gil are managing our gay mens baseball team this summer, leave emails if interested. Mets are too Spanish.
Scott: You are just too clever for any of us. Wow. Not only are you a racist, but a homophobe, too. You’re a real asset to our scoiety. You have the intellectual capacity of a dust bunny.
Thanks for hanging around tonight. It was a lot of fun. Talk with you tomorrow … er, later today.-JD
Fun?
This is what fun feels like?
Good Lord.
I sure don’t wanna know what “awful” feels like, then.
Just because I work at the River Street Hee Haw restaurant and have to cater to Colordes and wetbacks does it mean I have to cheer them on when they screw up. Reyes is a mutt head, and I want to participate in the gay tourney, as I catch alot of balls at HABS INSIDE/OUT
Firing Willie, by itself will not fix the Mets troubles. Omar built a sub par team. Too old, too injury prone, too little pitching and too many guys who just don’t give a s**t!
http://www.myteamrivals.typepad.com/mr_mets_daily
“It was terrible. Guys used to come to the clubhouse and say before each game “who is going to blow it for us today?” ” Cleon Jones in 1969 recalling his callup in September 1963.
I’m sorry but I still say this is on Omar, he has built a flawed team. It’s time for Omar to wake up and get rid of whatever relics he can on this team and promote some young blood from the farm system. The kids can’t do any worse than these muts.
Yes, this team is built very badly.
Delgado and Castillo’s skills have degraded with age and injury to the point where… except for their ridiculous contracts… they really both should have retired last year. Ditto for El Duque.
Alou can still hit and Pedro can still pitch… but only when they’re healthy, which is basically never. Heilman seems to have given up on trying unless he is magically made the closer or a starter. Schoeneweis WILL be exposed as crap once he starts getting put into high-leverage situations against righties.
The bench was built as pinch-hitters and spot starters for a healthy club, none of them are competent everyday players when the injuries come down.
However, all of this said.
Reyes, Beltran and Wright are All-Stars. The Mets have some potentially outstanding starting pitching. Most of the bullpen are guys that should be very competent.
That core? Discounting all the old-and-injured crap that Minaya hung onto for their “names” and Willie loves for their “experience”?
That core alone should not be THIS bad.
That core has given up on Willie.
And Willie needs to go.
...then if this keeps up, Minaya needs to leave in October.
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