Mets Chat Room: Glavine beats Mets in opener; Piazza retires; second game delayed by weather.
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The announcement just came down out of LA is Mike Piazza has announced his retirement. I hope you weigh in on Piazza. In particular, should the Mets retire his number.
Weigh in on a new poll.
Fred Wilpon on Mike Piazza’s retirement: “On behalf of everyone at the Mets, we salute Mike for his Hall of Fame caliber accomplishments in our game and with our team. Mike electrified New York City and energized our franchise after we acquired him in 1998. He was an integral part of our 2000 National League Championship club. Mike played the game with passion, class and heart – symbolic of our city. We wish Mike, his wife, Alicia, and daughter Nicoletta all health and happiness as he begins a new chapter in his life.”
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Before we begin here, I'd like to say Congratulations to Jon Lester who gave us all the feel-good story of the baseball season last night. His no-hitter for the Boston Red Sox was something to behold for all of us who remember where John was only months ago. What a comeback.
Well done, Jon.
Gil – As Annie said before, I appreciate your comments related to Randolph from the earlier post; very insightful. Unfortunately, there is still too much racism, or stereotyping at the very least, and since Willie wanted to answer the question, I can see how he is skeptical.
It's just that all his comments combined, especially about SNY, seem to be creating a circus, like he wants to make some noise before his possible firing. It doesn't seem very smart to me.
All that work by Glavine and the Mets only get one run. They could have knocked him out.-JD
Spiderpig: I think Randolph is playing this horribly. If the Mets wanted him out, they don't have to have a conspiracy to oust him. He's just not thinking this one through at all.-JD
I see the Mets aren't the only ones who blank out on the bases. Just dumb by Escobar.-JD
Um…JD, both of those balls were hit hard. It was bad luck.
Don't make it out like the Mets truly just "blew" that chance.
Great line by Hagin (first time I think I've said that all year): "Boy wouldn't it be poetic if the Mets got 7 here in the first."
I am not looking forward to the Mets/Yankees bidding war for this gentleman's services this coming November.
If MLB is scared of using instant replay, they could pay two or three more umpires per game to make those calls, but they might be more afraid of that.
If you'd like to find out more about Tom Glavine's last days as a Met, I suggest the new Feinstein Book – "Living on the Black". You will learn a lot about Tom Glavine and Mike Mussina as they went through the 2007. It's over 500 pages, but well worth it.
Glavine is getting ridiculously lucky so far…
And, on the twentieth day of May, Luis Castillo decided to flex his muscles…
Re: Willie
None of us has walked in his shoes – let's not speculate on what will happen when or how.
I hope he stays.
Glavine is still not getting those borderline strike calls that he wasn't getting as a Met (That pitch to Reyes for the strikeout did look like a strike to me.), speaking of "on the black."
I had no idea just how effective Maine has been against lefties this year. Just look at these numbers! http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/psplit.cgi?n1=mainejo01&year=2008#plato-plato
Any idea, from a baseball standpoint, why that is?
Hey Ben, not an expert but I'd have to say its because his fastball tails away from lefties.
Another though, lefties for some reason are always said to be better low ball hitters. Not sure of the reasoning on that, but with Maine being a high ball pitcher it may help as well.
Don't get me wrong I think John Maine has matured into a very good pitcher, but does he need another out pitch…
His pitch count gets killed by getting fouled off too many times
Don't tell me that they are still enabling Glavine to live on the black there at Turner Field! No wonder he went home.
At this rate, Maine will be lucky to finish four innings…
Doesn't he throw a slider???
Maine laboring, shouldn't be this hard for him. This team shouldn't be hitting him this hard…..
First inning coming back to bit them…
lets give the guy a break.. He's not allowed to struggle at some point? We've seen it from Santana, we've seen it from every pitcher.. He doesn't have his best stuff today, but lets not get crazy here, he's only given up 2 runs.. Church kind of misplayed that ball in right, should be a 1-1 game right now, and he had to throw a lot of pitches to get around that
Is there anything more frustrating then getting beat by a guy throwing 77 mph?
I would really like to beat Glavine today and letting him off the hook in the first and now seeing him ease through three innings is fustrating…
Right, Roger. Let's not panic. (Yet.) Let's see if Maine can maintain his composure, pull it together, and pitch better. Being able to get by without his best stuff is something he has to learn how to do. Don't just give up; battle through it and show some mental toughness.
It doesn't help, when such guy is getting a strikezone twice as large as the other pitcher…
Boy he never got that outside pitch for us…
Make that 76 mph!
You can't fault the Mets for the 1st inning. They ripped two balls right at people. What can you do? Since then, they've disappeared. That bothers me.
The big problem with this team? When they fall behind there is never any reason to feel confident that they'll come back. The second they fell behind 2-1, I felt this game was over.
Great now it's 4-1. They might get one more opportunity later in the game, and they'll likely blow it getting at most 1 run. They are so predictable, especially in Atlanta where they just crap their pants.
Glavine gets the last laugh.
17 in a row??? It's simply ridiculous at this point.. Glavine is nowhere near this good…
Oh, and MetsBlog has become completely useless in regards of intelligent discussion… Just filled with pessimistic, whiny, doomsday gloating 'tards now…
WOW, they took him out after 82 pitches????
The only explanation I can think of his he wanted him to leave on a good/confident note against his old team. That is just strange, and he doesnt look hurt and he isnt happy.
This is why you don't get excited about 2 games against the Yankees, or any other team for that matter.
The tone of the game was set in the first. There's been little signs of offensive life from the ballclub since.-JD
I believe the Mets are 1-18 when trailing after 7. That is why it seems they never come back….....b/c they don't.
I believe the Mets will soon be 1-19 when trailing after 7.
Maybe I was right about the Mets doing so well over the weekend because we didn't see Heilman. Game over.
If they lose this one, they pretty much shoot their chances of winning the series. Anyone think they're gonna take 3 straight with Vargas and Pelfrey pitching? If they win 2 of 3, you consider yourself lucky. More .500 baseball!
Can we please get rid of Aaron Heilman at this point??
Just forget this godawful game, and take the nightcap…
6-1 Atl…..... I believe the Mets will soon be 1-19 when trailing after 7.
Yankee stadium called….....they found the Mets heart in the visitors clubhouse.
they sure turned that corner alright.
lucky for the mets, there's time for another team meeting before game 2 starts.
CHANGE-UPS ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE THROWN WAIST HIGH!!!
If Heilman could keep his change-up at the knees he would be awesome. But he can't. He can't spot the change-up so he needs to scrap it.
Way to go Heilman! Someone please get his ticket ready to New Orleans. The only thing that cushioned it for me is that I cannot watch the game right now and had to see the update on the internet.
Anyone know how Muniz or Stokes are doing in New Orleans? Even Figueroa could offer some help with working innings and keeping the ball in the ballpark.
I just saw a white towel thrown out from the Mets dugout.
At this point, I would just settle for a base hit. I dont want this to carry over to tonights game.
I heard in the pre-game that the Mets decided not to take BP today. Genius move. These guys couldn't hit a bull in the *ss with a snow shovel.
Omar just called. He wants to know if anyone has the telephone number for Jose Lima? He also wanted to know what color his hair these days. It is too bad the pitcher's spot came up this inning. Since Heilman's performance once again put the Mets in a larger hole than when he came in, it would have been nice to use him up in the eighth assuming the Mets did not mount a scoring drive. This way, the other pitchers would be fresh for game two.
Howie reporting the official retirement of Mike Piazza today. He was an exciting batter – and hit some powerful and memorable home runs.
Maybe Willie decided not to have his team take BP because he's black???
I am looking forward to and am hoping to see him in a Met hat on his plaque at Cooperstown in five years.
The guys on SNY were noting how Heilman is employing a different arm angle (wrist, actually, according to their analysis) between the fastball and change. They say the fastball is flat, instead of sinking.
But, then again, they were using selective camera angles and one of the guys pointed out that Heilman is probably German.
Willie should have let Heilman hit. What's the worse that could happen? Maybe he could get a hit. Worse case scenario he gets beaned…...........maybe that would fix him.
Is it me or was the pitch before McCann's homer a strike 3?
With that said, I have been calling for Willie's firing all season. Today, I am ammending that statement and calling for the firing of HoJo and the Jacket as well. I cannot stand to watch these guys anymore. These coaches send these players out without a plan game in and game out. Enough already….let's get some new blood in there!
I just called JFK…......flights are delayed but the Mets hope to get to Atlanta before the game starts at 7:00. Due to the delay, MLB allowed the Yankees to substitute for the first game in Mets uniforms…..
Tiffany,
Are you saying that Heilman's name is actually "Heil" something else??? How intriguing. Are you sure that it was not the arm band that gave it away? Maybe, he was just trying out for a role in "The Producers". The way his pitching is going, he may very well need something to fall back on.!!
It's in the books – almost as a footnote. Next up Claudio Vargas and Jorge Campillo in just a couple of hours.
Just getting here. As far as Piazza? Retire the number. No ifs, ands, or buts.
Now for our current crop of Mets. Please!!! All they did was run their mouths after the Yankees about how they're on their way. Please let your hitting and pitching do your talking.
Especially Wright who did not have the best of days that's for sure. I mean c'mon a 42 year old Tom Glavine having an awful year and CASTILLO of all people is the only one that can hit him. Please!?!?
Wow, three teams 1.5 games back in the NL East, all with different records. Stupid rain!
You gotta give it up for Bobby Cox. He certainly did a great job filling out that lineup card.
Delgado made contact in his last at bat, so I am sure Willie will move him up the order for game two. In the last week, other than the homerun that was incorrectly taken from him, he has left the population of a small town on base. He needs to sit, even if it is to let a singles hitter (Anderson)take his place. The Mets need the runs.
Its like the subway series never happened. These guys played just as pathetic as they did last week against the reds and the nats…
i really hoped the mets get bombed tonight and tomorrow, maybe that will help to force the wilpons to DO SOMETHING!
If I were Willie, I would rest Alou, Schnieder, Beltran and Castillo in the second game. They must be very tired from running around the bases.
The pitchFx data on MLB.com shows that Heilman's sinker was sinking plenty. The problem with him as always is location. He can't keep the damn change-up down. You're not as likely to get the guy out front on 3-2 count as with 1-2, 0-2, or 2-2, because he knows that if he takes a ball he'll draw a walk. McCann waited on that pitch and swung at the last second when it seemed like it would be a strike. It was almost waist high. A waist high change-up 3-2? That's garbage. That is the reason he is not effective. He came in throwing 95 with good movement. The sinker was fine and it was sinking. The pitchFx data doesn't lie. He can't control the change-up. That's his problem.
Piazza carried this team for 4 seasons (1998-2001). He did it in the clutch, he did it with class, and he made the Mets relevant again with his arrival. His career .308 average does not do justice to how great a hitter he was. He embraced this city as well, and that has nothing to do with talent. I hope his retirement receives the recognition befitting a player of his stature.
So, team meeting between games?
Yes, plenty of time to turn over a "food spread".
These guys are so pathetic. After the 1st inning they clearly just went into the tank and packed it in. Like I said before…when this team falls behind there is no reason to ever believe that they'll come back. And it's not to say the can't…I don't think they really even care to.
RMKMets, I think that is an irresponsible comment, they dont care to? Of course they do! The problem is, they have not had come back ability so far this season, so they have no confidence in their ability to come back. The game, like most is very mental. If they put a couple of come from behinds together over a given week, the confidence builds and they will have more come from behinds. Believe me, they are as frustrated as any of us.
The Mets should definitely retire Piazza's number in my opinion. He gave the Mets instant reputabilility the second he arrived and posed an offensive through his last at bat as a Met. Sure, he was no Johnny Bench defensively, but, the possibility of seeing him drive a ball 450+ feet every time up definitely outweighed any defensive shortcoming. He even tried the well documented failed attempt at first. I cannot imagine any of the current prima donna's out there offering to try a similar transition.
I am sad to hear that Mike Piazza retired. His arrival (thanks to Nelson Doubleday) helped make Shea Stadium an exciting place for several years. I don't think his number should be retired but I won't complain if the Wilpons did. He had 10,000 times more class and integrity than a certain gutless, cheating, lying, head-hunting right handed pitcher who should be indicted.
The Met offense struggles when they aren't playing last place AL teams. On to game 2.
How close is Atlanta to New Orleans? Can we get Heilman there and someone up for the second game? = )
Here's what David Wright had to say about briefly having Mike Piazza as a teammate: ``He helped me become the baseball player I am. He taught me things on the field and how to carry myself off the field. It was a privilege to get to play with him.''-JD
To JM: Very well said on Piazza.-JD
Second Game Line-up:
METS
SS Jose Reyes
LF Marlon Anderson
3B David Wright
CF Carlos Beltran
RF Ryan Church
2B Damion Easley
1B Carlos Delgado
C Ramon Castro
RH Claudio Vargas
Bobby Cox also did a great job throwing those changeups to Reyes and Delgado … not to mention that 2-run bomb he hit off Heilman in the 7th.
They should retire #31.
Mike Piazza was a great ballplayer, and a key part of the Mets recent history. I definitely want to see his accomplishments honored in some fashion.
But it would bother me to see #31 retired while #8 goes unhonored. Gary Carter was every bit as important to the mid-80s Mets, he helped them win a World Series title AND he's already in the Hall of Fame.
The Mets either need to stick to the really high standards that they've established for retiring players' numbers, or they need to get busy and do something for the guys that came before Piazza.
Why is Marlon Anderson batting second and Church hitting fifth?
OK, I got my answer. I just found out the Mets lost 6-1. Early I posted I still have no confidence in this team. I will be confident when this team plays consistent baseball offensively ,starting pitching and the bull pen. What do they do, lose to Glavine and only get one run and give up 6. I will keep saying it until I see otherwise but this is a .500 team and they will play up and down all year and not make the playoffs.
The way this season has gone so far watch Jorge Campillo a journeymen pitch until the seventh inning giving up 0-1 runs and Vargas get bombed, that's your 2008 New York mets.
You can tell which hat Mike wants to wear in the Hall of Fame (from ESPN article)
"But I have to say that my time with the Mets wouldn't have been the same without the greatest fans in the world. One of the hardest moments of my career, was walking off the field at Shea Stadium and saying goodbye. My relationship with you made my time in New York the happiest of my career and for that, I will always be grateful."
They should retire Keith's number and then Mike's in the opening week of Citi Field.
JD,
Thanks. Piazza meant a lot to me as a Mets fan.
tomg,
I foresee a Campillo gem as well. If there is someone out there who has good feelings about the 2008 Mets, please share. I really need some inspiration.
We'll I've been a fan way to long. I had more fun watching the mets finish in last place than watching this painfully talented team play like a little leaguers. First, Randolph needs to shut up, noone is booing him because he's black, we are booing because the team has sucked for about a year now. Its not all Randolph's fault, the problem is Omar. He signs some big names, Pedro, Santana, Beltran, Delgado but gives crazy contracts to El Duque and Castillo. We need the whole coaching staff to go, Randolph needs to go. Someone has to keep these Million Dollar Baby baseball players to realize they need to play, they need to run balls out, they can't not be covering there base and I think Omar and Randolph have completely destroyed Reyes. First you get Henderson to coach him, then you embarrass him in the middle of a game and you still continue to call him out in the media. If Randolph stays, soon he'll probably destroy the career of Wright as well
A tornado watch? They've had a couple of those in Atlanta this spring haven't they.
Here at home in CT we've got 48 degrees and it has rained since noon.
Bobby Cox has no control over who wins and loses; he just fills out lineup cards.
Did anyone think that Glavine would be shelled? Its not like he was facing his beloved Braves.
Annie Savoy,
no watch, I just checked live radar and there is a tornado moving southeast just north east of atlanta. The storm should move out within the next half hour or so.
I am not sure how accurate this is considering the source, but the local news here in Atlanta just reported the game has been canceled.
To John: It's really coming down. But, we've gotten no word.-JD
Well, I can truly understand why the Mets looked good this weekend against the Yankees, it's official, it's not because the Mets were good, it's because the yankees truly suck. The Yankees are losing to baltimore in the second inning 9-0.
hello all it is me bob I am back again after getting banned. I will leave my feistyness to the streets where I hand out ass beatings daily.
jd – whats the deal with endy chavez? why isnt he playing tonight?
btw hello again jd, tomg, and gil in savannah, perhaps we can settle our differences without confrontation this time.
JOHN – TARP IS OFF THE FIELD
When you retire #31, do you bring John Franco back, too?
Hi Bob … good to see you again. They are telling us another five minutes or so.-JD
JOSE STOP SWINGING AT THE 1ST PITCH EVERY AT BAT!
Always will be a fan of Piazza. Awesome hitter with tremendous power and could drive the ball to right with HR power like not many other players I have seen. First ballot hall of fame in my opinion. As for the current Mets another blown chance to drive in runs in the first inning. Atleast last year when the Mets started out good they would score early and often. Now it has been score once and that is it. Maybe the Mets are thinking…we play well early and it does not matter. Lets save it for after the break and turn it on late. Still I just do not think Willie is the guy to make this group of guys perform every game.
disgusting job of bill webb past inning, he didn't even show willie giving jose a pat on the butt! what the heck! he's portraying willie to be such a bad manager JEEZE!
I'm a die hard met fan but I'm enjoying watching the yankee game because the yanks are getting killed 10-0, jeter got nailed on the wrist with a fast ball and has possibly broken that wrist and than the Yankee pitcher throws at a oriole players head and a brawl broke out. This is more entertaining than watching the pathetic mets which is sad on my part.
how does that song go?
One step forward and two step back Nobody gets too far like that
I decided that if I could take one Met and shake him into baseball coherence, it would be Jose Reyes. If he gets on, the Mets have a chance; he doesn't, they don't. JD, it might be your greatest journalistic challenge to determine, and subsequently explain, what the hell happened to him.
JD – could you relay a message to Willie?..........tell him the idea of baseball is to get on base and score runs.
tired metsfan – im no willie defender, but he's not the one batting nor not getting on base
True Bob, you are correct. That would be the Braves…
Mets are 31 – 61 at Turner Field. Yikes.
Wow, it really makes you wonder if these guys have any pride at all. Do they like looking like ineffectual statues at the plate?
Mind-boggling. Hah—as I write this Jose actually gets a hit, but I've had my fill of Met "baseball" today.
I have not watched a met game today and honestly I have no intentions of watching the Mets at all for a while because there really isn't much to watch and I realize I don't like this team that Omar put together. If Willie goes Omar should follow.
SERENITY NOW! here's a question for you all. WOULD YOU RATHER THE METS LOSE THE NEXT SIX GAMES AND WILLIE RANDOLPH GETS FIRED, THEN A NEW MANAGER COMES IN AND THEY GO ON TO THE PLAYOFFS AND WHATEVER HAPPENS HAPPENS OR THEY STICK WITH WILLIE AND THEY START TO WIN AND GO TO THE PLAYOFFS. MY HATRED FOR WILLIE KINDA MAKES ME THINK OH WELL EVEN THOUGH IT SUCKS THAT THEY LOST WILLIE IS INCHING CLOSER TO BEING FIRED!
Sorry if anyone feels like they've heard enough Willie bashing. But seriously, this second game was a big win for the Mets as far as fan and team morale goes. So he trots out Easley and Marlon Anderson? It's as if he gave up the game before it even started. And now here we are again, back to win 4 lose 4 or in this case win 2 lose 2. Even if we take the next two games down in Dixie, it's merely treading water. Would it have killed Alou or Castillo to be in the lineup tonight? Braves are outscoring us 10-1 so far today.
Bob,
my opinion is that i don't care who they bring in to manage this team is not going to make the playoffs. Two years ago allot of the teams in the national league were rebuilding and that was the reason the mets cruised to win there division and almost get to the world series. Omar built a now team and that ship has sailed. I really don't think changing managers or coaches will make a difference with tis team. It's just not a good team. The players that Omar has brought in is not a good mix of players to win. I have come to the conclusion if willie goes than Omar should go.
JM: I can speculate on a lot of things about Reyes, but here's one we might consider. Maybe, what he did before was a fluke. Perhaps, this is as good as it will get from Reyes. You don't want to go there, but who knows?-JD
My statement that Willie had a 100% chance of being fired if Mets lose 3 to Yanks may have been a bit premature.
It could happen here if Mets get swept by Atl, especially after Fat Man on FAN stated that ownership was not happy w/Willie's crying about media and fans.
Also, no Met opponent should always pitch guys who throw junk over the plate. Thinkin way too much at the plate. See ball, hit ball.
Bob: I have been writing for awhile now that I couldn't see them firing Randolph. However, I've been told ownership is really hacked off at him on this race thing. Of all teams, the Mets are the most up front when it comes to this issue. But, what Randolph said is insulting. And, the stuff about SNY. Reminds of Captain Queeg (Bogie) in the Caine Mutiny (The strawberries. They thought I was crazy, but that's where I had them).-JD
JD, I just think Reyes is trying to do too much and Willie (or whomever is the manager) has to get him to relax.
And until he is relaxed, the manager needs to tell him when to run, when to swing, etc. B/c right now he is out of control running all the time, and swinging all the time.
JD you are 100% on the money on the race thing w/the Wilpons. What is that pavilion called at CitiField? Oh yeah, Jackie Robinson Pavilion.
Who is the GM? Oh yeah, a hispanic guy named Omar M.
Francesa who knows Wilpons well said today that they are ticked off. A sweep (4 games) here would not be good for Willie.
To scoopcoop: Willie does not come across as a kick-ass type of guy. Maybe, that's what Reyes needs. I hear about them being reluctant to get all over him because they might ``lose'' him. What does that mean? For all you moms and dads out there, isn't it true that kids actually crave discipline as to have direction? Maybe Reyes needs for someone to take the gloves off with him.-JD
6SO, no walks and 62 picthes thru 6 inn.
Either Mets are a .500 team or Willie's comments took wind out of sails or both.
But Willie did discipline him and that is when Reyes started to slip. Or was it when Jose Valentin left the team in mid-July last yr? Right about time when Reyes started to slip?
Valentin for manager. He does it in PR.
scoopcoop,
"tomg May 20th, 2008 at 6:13 pm
The way this season has gone so far watch Jorge Campillo a journeymen pitch until the seventh inning giving up 0-1 runs and Vargas get bombed, that's your 2008 New York mets."
I know my teams well!!!!!
To finish story from WFAN, francesa said he asked Wilpons to come on and discuss Willie and race, etc.
He said they said no. Not a good sign for Willie that they let him blow in the wind.
scoopoop – fatcessa also said THE METS WILL NOT GET JOHAN, don't take anything that bum takes seriously
says*
I'm no Willie hater, but he should have been gone after last year. Not for the blame as much as a need for change.
I don't believe these guys are a .500 team – I think they have much more talent than that. I just think they lost too much confidence last year and since nothing has changed this year, they give up when things turn instead of digging. It's painful to watch.
It is true that Fatman hates Mets and will say alot of things to tick off Met fans. But I believe him when he says that he wanted Wilpons on and they said no.
Again, that is not a good sign for Willie. Nor is the play of the team today.
If they lose Wed/Thur, I predict Willie does not make Col flight. Esepcially after those comments to Bergen Record.
Bottom line in business. Don't embarass your bosses in public. That is what Willie did w/his interview to paper. Then add on poor performance and you get canned.
scoopcoop,
I agree with bOB, I wouldn't take anything seriously that fat bum francesa states on his show. He thinks he is where it's out, screw humpty dumpty.
JD – has any mets player commented on willies comments? also, as willie just loves to say, he's been around this town for awhile, he should know better than to say such stupid comments like that.
Look at other guys that have done things Wilpons feel was embarassing. Milledge and his rap records. LoDuca and his loud mouth. Kris Benson and his big boob wife. All gone.
Willie is probably next.
this is embarrassing, if you believe that this is as good as it gets then Omar did a bad job putting this team together. but if this team isn't reaching its max. potential then that falls on the staff its there job to get the most from their players, otherwise someone would post a lineup card and the players would just go play….
I really think this team has enough talent to atleast get into the playoffs. I think it's willie's fault that they are not playing well, Omar put together a fairly good staring rotation, a good pen with a good closer, and a good enough lineup with reyes, wright, beltran. and alou. don't forget church. I really feel this falls on willie any1 want a fire willie tshirt? heres one
https://49274.spreadshirt.com/us/US/Shop/Article/Index/article/FIRE-WILLIE-RANDOLPH—-New-York-Mets-2411923
IMO willie getting fired won't make this team better. Omar is the person who built this team. I think they both should go.
Anybody have Jose Valentin's cell # so Omar can call him?
Well, I can't see the wilpons standing pat and not making some kind of move to shake things up. The logical thing to do would be to fire the manager but I'm not convinced it will change anything. I'm tired of saying this but this team has no character, passion, heart or pride. They just collect there paychecks that adds up to 140 mil and go home.
tomg – why? church, schnieder, and johan have all be great so far this year. They just havn't let willie take them over yet. Im not just saying that to be against willie, I truely believe that's true, he made the other players who he's been with become lifeless while the new guys who havn't let him seep in yet are doing fine. FIRE WILLIE!
Tomg i deagree i think this is a good roster. this is clearly IMO falls on willie for not pushing the right buttons- if Bobby V. took his bunch of no names to back-to-back playoffs this team with several all-stars should be perennial
nine hits in two games so far pathetic
Obie – int. mgr.
Warthen – pitching coach
Carter- 3rd base coach
valentin – playing bench coach
keep Nieto & Johnson
JD – I think it's time for the papers to treat Willie like they treated Isiah. Thats just how I roll, and GJ HIPPO
Ok, here's a quick question for everyone. Does a home run here change on what you think of the night?-JD
yes, which sucks. Because I feel that I am at a crossroads when it comes to my mets famdom. Even though I ALWAYS want the Mets to win, if they lose this game willie may get closer to being fired which would make me happy. JUST FIRE HIM ALREADY SO I CAN ROOT FOR THEM NO MATTER WHAT
Good hypothetical JD, but it's just that, a hypothetical. It never happened. If they hit a home run, I would still be down on the lineup that Willie threw out there tonight.Notice how the offense picked up when Alou entered the game.If they did hit a homer there, I would only feel a little more encouraged the next time the Mets were down after the 4th or so. I feel like this team doesn't have the guts or spirit to come back in a game. Who's to blame for a situation like this? The manager.
JD – they're not coming back this team doesnt have the fire too, they may make it close – but can you rem. the last time they came back from four runs down.
A team takes on the personality of it's manager and this team has Willie's nice mellow even tempered attitude…
And I dont believe Willie does anything like flipping tables in th elocker room
Another bone headed move why is Wise pitching in his second game of the day coming off an injury and still building strength, did Joe Smith quit
The Willie deathwatch is back on. It's gonna be fun, but sad, listening to the callers on Mike and the Mad Dog tomorrow. It's still looking a lot like the end of last season, with no reliable arm in the bullpen, aside from Wagner and Smith.
Does Willie have options – can we send him down to work on his game
edfever: Funny stuff.-JD
Spiderpig: Yup. And, they'll talk with authority like they know what's going on when they haven't been around the team all year. Or any year for that matter. What they know about the Mets is what they read in the papers and what Ed Coleman tells them. Maybe Francesa can thrill us by guessing the ratings for the two games.-JD
And now our MVP is bloodied.
And down goes Church. Great move to play Easley tonight Willie! If only Castillo had hit a homer to persuade him to play tonight. Oh, wait…
JD – I know not to put too much stock into what they say; I mostly listen for laughs, since I can get my important news elsewhere. Francesa is especially bad, often being wrong, though his most recent prediction about the Spurs beating the Hornets turned out to be right, as hard as it was to complete. Don't forget the "scoops" they get from John Heyman! :)
A fitting ending to another pathetic effort. I hope our best player isn't hurt.
After watching them beat the Yankees, I made the mistake of buying my family tickets to the Mets at the movies tomorrow night. Damn, should have bought a tank of gas instead – it's a much better investment.
Waiting outside the Mets' clubhouse. No monitor here. Will let you know how Church is as soon as I hear.-JD
If Church wanted to play football he should have had a football helmet on. He went into second dirty and the SS was ready for it. Concussion # 2 is not a good thing for him.
willie must be fired this team is sinking faster than brittney spears career did.
Church already had a concussion in spring training. I just saw what happened on sny. Church looked to me that when he hit escobar knee he was out the way his head hit the ground. I bet you he suffered another concussion. It wouldn't surprise me if church misses some games.
In the clubhouse. Just finished talking with assistant GM Tony Bernazard. He said Church has a mild concussion and will be taken to the hospital.-JD
So it really was the apocolypse when Castillo hit the home run? Of course, they'l come back and win tommorrow, just to confuse us. They're turning into the NY Rangers at this point, so hopefully they will go on a run and make the playoffs like them. That's the best I can hope for at this point.
The question is how much do the Wilpons like to Mike and the Mad Dog. Not that they are always wrong..they did push the organization (Doubleday) into trading for Piazza 10 years ago and they slammed the front office for trading Kazmir. But there are people out there who feel the Mets owners are just too sensitive to what the fans and media are crying about. A good organization should listen to the fans but know when we are too emotional and shortsighted.
Wrong Met decision that was pushed by M&MD: Give Dallas Green an extension after the surprise 1995 second half when the kids made the last two months enjoyable. I don't know if Green specifically ruined Generation K but things went wrong. Let's see if Girardi can duplicate that cross town.
Well so much for the feel good feeling of beating the Yankees. Back to reality. This is probably just a .500 team. And now the only player they have had this year is probably going to miss a month (my speculation only) I guess we'll have to get used to seeing Marlon Anderson playing Right field this time. (Said with anger)
Without church, the offense is really going to struggle.
I thought the Collapse last year was a nightmare, apparently the nightmare doesn't want to go away any time soon and neither does the poor play of the New York Mets.
The defense may struggle without Ryan as well. Even though a guy like Endy can field well, Church's injury may result in more outfield innings for Anderson and Easley, which is not what you want.
Not that I love him, but any word on Pagan's return?