Mets Chat Room: Just shut up and play edition.
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I’m getting annoyed with this team. All smoke and no sizzle. All talk and no bite. Willie Randolph says he knows his team better than anyone. If that’s true, then he should know they stink right now.
Championship caliber teams to into the fourth game of a series against a last-place team looking for the sweep or to win three of four. Instead, the Mets lose three out of four to the Nationals.
Unbelievable. Actually, it’s not. They’ve been mediocre now since last July and aren’t showing any signs of breaking out of their funk.
They threw away a great start by Mike Pelfrey this afternoon. They didn’t hit. They weren’t smart on the bases. Last night it was the bullpen.
I am tired of hearing “we’re better than this,’’ or “we’re not playing up to our capabilities,’’ or “we need to start hitting with runners in scoring position.’’ Or any other pathetic cliches.
Just shut up and play and stop wasting our time with mediocrity.
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Championship caliber team? Sorry man but I’ve been saying it all year, This is not a Championship caliber team. I will say it again. This team has been a .500 team since the second half of last season and I haven’t seen this trend change. The starters struggle to go six innings and the bull pen is being over worked and the offense is up and down and reyes is still playing like s@@t. The only way to change this trend is for some changes to this team, whether it be manger, coaches, players but something has to change. Omar cannot keep thinking that the mets will get it going. I don’t see it or think the Mets will get anything going.
This whole “championship-caliber” notion is ridiculous… The only championship-caliber teams are the ones that win championships… John, what MLB team this season has shown you to be “championship-caliber”??
Just win today, get the split, and hope for a good road trip… That’s all you can do at this point
I been saying it tooo tomg… The metsies suck….. The faster you metsies agree with tomg the faster you’ll get over it and have fun with it.
Manny Acta must still nbe on the Metsie rolls. He’s so nice bringing up a minor leaguer to give you a chance to win.
Well. Mr JD looks like all the metsie fans have given up on this overpaid team. Its you and me bro…... What’s for dinner your way? You know you have the best blog in town don’t you?
A bunch of us are going to a bar soon. You can join us if you want Delcos since you’ll be all by yourself because all thelittle metsies have abandoned their team. I don’t know how you’ll get to DC but your welcome to come…
The Mets are as good as any team in the National League. The 06 Cardnials and the 07 Rockies weren’t considered championship caliber in those seasons either, but both made it to the world series and one of them won it all. Just as the NFL Giants were this past season. So lets wait until the end of a season before we start defining a team as anything.
Reyes is an awful leadoff hitter…
Nice hustle metsies.
Maybe Heilman could start one of the games of the doubleheader with the Braves, if you really think starting a game will help him, since that is after an off-day, then you don’t need an extra pitcher in the same way that we did yesterday, though Pedro might be ready by then, I’m hearing.
10th in the league in runs scored is hardly championship caliber.
The Mets offense is starting to remind me of the early 70’s
when Seaver or Kooz had to pitch A shutout to have A chance to win.
no problem boys, we’ll gettem next time…....
Offense is pathetic
Just waiting for Pelf. to reach 100 pitches, so Willie can yank him.
You metsie fans should all be ashamed of yourelves. Your pitcher is pitching the game of his life and you can’t even bring yourselves to say one nice thing. The mets fans are without a doubt the worst in the world.
He was pitching a no-hitter, and many believe it’s a courtesy to keep quiet about it while it’s still going. I’m pretty sure we’re all proud of The Big Pelf today!
It’s hard to get up for a no hitter when you know your team can’t score any runs. If Castillo had hustled and actually made the score 1-0, im sure you would have heard alot more chatter about it. I’m ready to change my name to DC 9er, Jr. :-)
Pelfrey has been good today. This team, as a whole, is pathetic.
I don’t think so.. You metsies are best at being mean to your own players. You’ve forgotten how to root and support. You are the main reason for thee greatedt choke in baseball. Well its time to go. Goodluck Metsies. Hope you lose another one.
Poor Pelfrey… Game of his life, and he’s going to lose because the Mets aren’t even trying today….
Doesn’t this team just make you so angry?!
Damn metsies don’t even give the fans a reason to cheer. Can’t hit, don’t hustle, make terrible pitchers look like the next Dennis Martinez’s. Let’s go Nats. We have the metsies numbers!!! yeah!!!!!
Well, I guess Pedro won’t be available when we need a “sixth starter” since it says he will be back in early June. Start Heilman in Atlanta! Yee-haw! LOL
Remember metsie fans in 1999 when the hitting coach and pitching coach were fired before the Yankee series and it sent the Mets off and running? I think that wouldn’t be such a bad idea now to light a spark. We should sign Vince Coleman to coach so he can light off some firecrackers to wake these metsies up!!!
I’ve concluded: Reyes is a f—king moron….
I can’t argue with Reyes trying for third there, since the Mets offense has fallen asleep.
Look at that. Pelfry was granted exactly 100 pitches.
This team is on the verge of losing 4 of 7 games to two of the worst teams in the league at home. It’s unreal, unbelievable, and sickening. Like that DC 9er guy said, :-), time to shake up the coaching staff. Whether it is getting rid of RP, firing HoJo, getting rid of Manuel, Alomar Jr or even Willie, something needs to be done.
Hey John, what do you think the chances are of Kunz or Muniz coming up to the pen any time soon? With Heilman being so unpredictable (read: awful) and Sosa gone, and not much trade bait, something has to happen soon…
A championship caliber team takes care of business. The Mets aren’t doing that. The Mets could be at .500 or worse by the time they get to Atlanta.-JD
JD: Correct yourself. The Mets are NOT a championship caliber team. Like Parcells used to say, you are what your record says you are. Fortunately for them, the phills and the braves aren’t doing well either so it keeps them in the race. This team is just lifeless and I don’t understand why.
Well, Flores gives one back to give us a chance.
They’re waiting for new leadership. How can they have confidence in Willie as manager, when he makes so many odd or arbitrary decisions. He has no intuitive or innovative sense whatsoever as a manager. If it’s frustrating to us, it must be even more so to many of the actual players, where game decisions are made consistently that make little sense. Thank: When was the last time anyone thought Willie Randolph made a smart decision as a manager? One that made you think, “Ah … niiicce!” Never happens, never has happened.
FIRE WILLIE RANDOPLH NOW!!!!
John’s point is that the Mets consider themselves a championship-caliber team. By pointing out all these instances where they aren’t performing like one, John has made it clear, to me at least, that he knows they are not playing like one and, therefore, aren’t one..
And where was Beltran going there??? You have to see that get through the infield; he shouldn’t be going on contact. Bad teams don’t get lucky, like just happened in the ninth. The ballgame is over. :(
Watch them win the Yankees series though; just like the Rangers this season, playing better and better teams.
I wasn’t watching, but was that a bonehead play by Beltran or a great play by the 1bman?
The players are waiting for new leadership. How can they have confidence in Willie as manager, when he makes so many odd or arbitrary decisions. He has no intuitive or innovative sense whatsoever as a manager. If it’s frustrating to us, it must be even more so to many of the actual players, where game decisions are made consistently that make little sense. Thank: When was the last time anyone thought Willie Randolph made a smart decision as a manager? One that made you think, “Ah … niiicce!” Never happens, never has happened.
(Sorry for the repeat … there was a delay in msg. updates.)
Bad teams find ways to lose games. That simple. The Mets are playing like a second tier team, and it doesn’t matter if other teams are trying to give them the game they still can’t win. Something has to be done, 3-4 against two last place teams in NOT acceptable.
150 games of mediocrity. We are what we are. Mig. You can’t blame the manager forevery loss. The manager didn’t lose today’s game. I would have taken Pelfrey exactly when he was taken out. He let Beltran steal 2nd in the 9th which many managers wouldn’t do. If you get K’d 9 times and get 3 or 4 hits against a guy who just got recalled, you just suck. Pan willie for leaving Heilmann in too long yesterday but not today.
Origianl: Until we know if Alomar told him to go on contact or not we can’t know for sure if it was on Beltran or not. But the 1B just caught a ball right at him and could have walked to first.
Spider: Do you know what losing 4 of 7 to the Reds and Nats and winning two of three against the Yankees makes the Mets? A .500 team.
I know the Mets stated that they would reevaluate Willie at the end of the month.
Well my guess is by the time the Mets are playing the Braves Tuesday night someone else will be making out the lineup card.
Bluntly the Willie death watch has begun.
If I had to pick A day and time when he will be fired I am betting on Tuesday morning 11:00 AM in the hotel in Atlanta.
Kudos to Big Pelf for his great work today.
Sheesh JD, you sound like a poster!!!! :-) Just a question for you though…would you ask Willie face to face to stop making pathetic cliches? :-)
Castillo lollygaging was the difference in this one. Disgraceful. Heads must roll, and soon!
This team, Willie or no Willie, is in a lot of trouble.
I meant to say: Watch them win the Yankees series though; just like the Rangers (hockey) this season, playing better against better teams.
Steve – Beltran was going on contact, at least to the right side, and Boone snagged a sharp line drive.
At least we’re still close to the Phillies and Braves.
Ray: Yes, it was disgraceful. But I doubt there are many major leaguers out there that would have run full speed on that play. Not to use it as an excuse, I think it’s pathetic. But taking things for granted is as much a part of accepted baseball as is staring at how far you hit a ball. Also you should note that D. Wright didn’t hustle on that one either.
Spider: This question can be for you or anyone…if Beltran is told to go “on contact,” does that mean he goes as soon as the ball is hit, no matter where it is hit? Or shouldn’t he be seeing that the ball was a line drive?
Fire Willie…..
“I am tired of hearing ‘we’re better than this,’ or ‘we’re not playing up to our capabilities,’ or ‘we need to start hitting with runners in scoring position.’ Or any other pathetic cliches. Just shut up and play ….”
Um, you ask the questions . . . what would you have them RESPOND and say?
Hey Spider, nice to see we have something in common!!!! Both our teams suck!!!
Watch the Mets take 2 out of 3 from the Yanks and than lose 3 of 4 from the Braves.
I’m starting to think that this team is not going to make the playoffs with Willie at the helm.
It is the players faults in that they are just playing badly but its Willie’s job to get them to turn it around and they do it for 2-3 games but than they can’t score against the likes of Tim Redding and Jason Bergmann.
John: Any truth to a 5:30 PM press conference at Shea today ?
Sloppy is right. This goes beyond Willie. If someone else was manager, would this team win a few more games than with Willie at the helm? Probably. But that’d still put them a long way from where they should be. What could Willie have done about Reyes’ bone head play today? About Delgado’s fading talent? About Perez’s general lack of focus (no one seems to be able to get him to concentrate!)? I’m not saying they wouldn’t be better off without Willie. But this needs to start with the players, no matter who is managing the team.
Joe C.: A simple, ``we stink,’’ will do. Or, more of them could talk like Wagner.-JD
Well firing the manager worked for the 2003 Marlins.
JD- Mike and the Dog just said they are getting “reports” that Wagner blew a gasket…confirm?
Looks like Wagner ripped his teammates for not being at their lockers to talk with the media.
Yeah, Wagner had something to say. Good for him. I wish some of the others had the guts to speak up and rip themselves. Some of these guys have the toughness of tissue paper.-JD
John, welcome to the dark side.
JD – I have never seen you be so strong in your comments.
It is welcome. Big Pelf had a nice game from the boxscore.
I don’t have an opinion on all that is said here, but Omar picked this team. As someone said earlier this season the new guys are the ones playing.
It seems many teams make that mistake. Go for the tried and true which in the end gives you a team with no energy because you don’t have enough hungry players. I think that is one part of the problem here. There are no young bench/starters who are trying to prove themselves every day.
Experience is nice and necessary, but so is youth.
Dave
Yeah, apparantly the gist of what Wagner said is: “Why are you talking to me for? Im only the closer? Why don’t you talk to the guys responsible for the loss? Oh…I see why…they arent there anymore.
If accurate, that’s essentially what Paul Lo Duca said last year, when he noted that his teammates “speak English.”
It’s easy for Wagner to talk tuff since he’s pitching well these days. Everyone goes through ups and downs. It will never happen, but I’d love for OP, the next time Wagner blows a save (it WILL happen) to go to the media and say, “Billy really just needs to focus more. We really needed this win but he spit the bit and let us all down.”
This season has not been about ups and downs.
The bottom line this team does not come out and play with any urgency.
The attitude top down is quote “tough loss today we did not get the breaks we will be better tomorrow.”
This needs to change fast or a 500 season will even be a distant memory.
Steve – I caught a bit of Willie’s postgame from the other room, and I think he said Beltran was going on contact if the ball was hit to the right side. It’s Beltran’s fault to not notice that it was in the air and caught. He shouldn’t have been going on such a sharply hit ball with the infield in because he will make it anyway if it gets through the infield. Willie probably wanted him going on contact because he didn’t have faith in getting a hit in that spot, so might as well try scoring on a ground out. Unfortunately, it was a line out, and Beltran got caught.
Who Needs Lohan – I think you’re being somewhat sarcastic, based on fan reactions, because I’m not in the “Rangers suck” camp, and I don’t think you are either. :)
Steve, Yes Wright was taking his time too, but Castillo was the one who could have scored and so the focus is on him. Washington was making bonehead plays this whole series too, but it just seems to always cost the mets when they do it. Do you remember Timo? I know Its not just Willies fault, The players hiding from the press shows the gutless nature of this bunch. Something has to be done. This cannot go on.
Would anyone be surprised that Willie might not find his parking spot at Shea when the team comes back from Col. if the Mets get swept by the Yanks and look real bad losing or worse does not get on the plane to Atl?
This comment says to me that this team is not together and Willie has lost the clubhouse…
That undercurrent of discontent over some Mets ducking the media boiled over after the game. As reporters spoke with Billy Wagner after the loss, first about the Yankees series, then about today’s game, Wagner wondered aloud why the closer was drawing attention.
Then he went Paul Lo Duca-esque, minus the racial component.
He looked over toward the area of Carlos Delgado’s locker and blurted: “Someone tell me why the (expletive) you’re talking to the closer. I didn’t even play. They’re over there, not being interviewed. … I got it. They’re gone. (Expletive) shocker.â€
The Mets have championship-quality PITCHING.
Hitting? I dunno…
Basically, here’s what it comes down to.
There’s no trades to be made without giving up the only can’t-miss-barring-injury prospect they have.
Hitting-wise, there’s nothing in AAA that’ll make any difference and there’s no one in AA who’s ready to make the jump.
There’s nobody on the bench at the majors champing at the bit to take over a starting role.
There’s no free-agents out there to sign.
Something needs to change and there’s only one thing to change.
The manager.
Willie can’t manage a bullpen, he refuses to make the veterans show any responsibility and his stoic-and-steady bullcrap won’t work on the younger players… because, as much as he can’t admit it, it ain’t 1975 anymore.
Joe Torre’s only a good manager on a team full of performing veterans and Joe Torre Lite certainly doesn’t cut it on a team of unmotivated veterans and rudderless young guys.
It’s the only change that can be made and it is the time to pull the trigger.
Get someone young and/or in his first managing role in there to fire the place up and if it makes Alou and Delgado and Castillo angry… all three of those guys should by-rights retire at the end of this year so who cares?
It’s time.
I hate to say it but the Mets are over-hyped and over-estimated…with expectations set way too high by a constantly hyperventilating NY media that goes bonkers over a $130M payroll of de-roided and de-fanged use-to-bes. Signing Santana doesn’t make up for: – Aging broken down veteran pitchers (El Duke / Pedro) – Listless, overpaid and declining vets (Delgado, Castillo) – Broken down players (Alou, Castro) – Mentally broken SS – helllooo Endy, anybody home? – Beyond godawful bullpen – at least the 3 guys most relied upon in terms of IP and appearances. – Pathetic pitching management. Is the 100 pitch limit an actual MLB rule or just a Little League guideline that somebody thought was a good idea? What the he!! are they protecting – the integrity of Winter League Ball? “Don’t want any dead arms down in the Dominican come December”...these clowns pitch every 5th day at best. It’s pathetic to watch. – Absolutely no help on the way from the Farm – which is gutted like a hog on a skewer. – Church, Schneider and Maine are the only bright spots on this team. Even Johan Sebastian Bach looks mediocre half the time (insert adjusting to ny excuse here…should be good for a free pass from Willie for all of ‘09, or until he goes on the DL for a torn cuticle that keeps him out 2 months – maybe he and Moises can rehab together down in St. Lucie and get in some quality golf time together).
the problem is the bench. the bench is filled with role players. no one is there who could play their way into a starter.
we cut the only player who fit that description.
this is omars fault. he built the team. u can make the case for anderson and easley individually, we have church in right and pagan on dl, but logically there should be someone who can play first or second who can take a job and they dont exist.
I think Joe C is all wrong in regards to Billy Wagner. From what I can see Wagner has always stood up and faced the media – even when he’s blown games. The guy to me is a throwback. We need more guys like him.
I continue to feel that the Mets will NEVER win with Randolph as their manager. He doesn’t bring much to the table and he certainly does not seem to have the respect of this team. How much longer are we going to have to have him manage this club? Worse yet, in midseason, who could we get to replace him? I continue to miss Bobby V. Does anyone out there believe he would not have found a way to get this team into the playoffs last year?
If your closer is the one standing up and talking about being disgusted with the way the team plays that is a problem b/c it means there is no team leader.
After this latest explicitive stuff from Wagner and the fact that it was noted that last yr the bench guy (Marlon Anderson-who wasn’t even on the team until mid-yr) was calling team meetings, it is clear that there is no leadership.
You can have the greatest collection of people (no matter the business, baseball, or otherwise), but if no one leads, you don’t move toward your goals.
When did it become acceptable to denigrate Joe Torre? The guy has won multiple championships and his Yankee teams always made the playoffs. It’s easy to say he benefitted from the Yankee payroll, but I didn’t see the Mets in the playoffs last year. The bottom line is that there were times when it looked like the Yankees were going to rip apart at the seams and it never did because Torre kept it together. Plus, look at what he’s done with the Dodgers. IMO, Joe Torre is exactly what this team needs.
Do not insult Mr. Torre, who is going to the HOF as a manager, by calling Willie “Joe Torre Light.”
I think Joe Torre Light is a pretty good description of Willie. And I think Joe Torre is the luckiest guy in the world to have had the club and payroll he had to work with for all of those years.
Willie had a pretty good team and payroll. Didn’t see him in the playoffs.
You don’t make the playoffs 12 years in a row by luck.
Mike C: Love the optimism. But this is far from a championship quality pitchng staff. Not with there being basically two dependable starters and a closer that you know will end up blowing up at the most inopportune times. Not with there being one of their counted upon setup men having a huge confidence problem and their other one still feeling their way thru their comeback from injury. And regarding their hitting, until Beltran, Wright, and Reyes become consistently good and play up to their baseball cards, this hitting will be in a shambles. There is only so much Willie can do in that case. However, I do think Willie will be the one that goes if this thing doesn’t turn around in the next 30 days…i’m tired of him constantly protecting his players. His excuse for Castillo that “he probably wouldn’t have scored anyway,” was so out of line…who cares? He didn’t hustle. Why isn’t Willie telling him or the press that he should be writing out a big fat check to his favorite charity? He let Delgado loaf too last year without even a mention of it. It’s the lax attitude that Willie has that is so frustrating. Not to mention his lack of defending the players when they really need to be defended!!! Like arguing with an umpire!!! I think Willie is the one that needs an attitude adjustment and pretty quickly, or Omar will be making the adjustment for him.