Comments on: C’mon Bud, swing for the fences … http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/14/cmon-bud-swing-for-the-fences/ All about the Mets Tue, 17 Nov 2009 07:08:38 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: JK http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/14/cmon-bud-swing-for-the-fences/comment-page-1/#comment-44464 JK Thu, 15 May 2008 17:16:00 +0000 http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/14/cmon-bud-swing-for-the-fences/#comment-44464 Regardless of whether the asterisk next to Maris' record was deserved, the footnote accompanying his asterisk is very different from one that would accompany a Bonds asterisk. So I don't see a real issue. And Hank Aaron sure deserves better than the status quo. Regardless of whether the asterisk next to Maris’ record was deserved, the footnote accompanying his asterisk is very different from one that would accompany a Bonds asterisk. So I don’t see a real issue.

And Hank Aaron sure deserves better than the status quo.

]]> By: sloppy http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/14/cmon-bud-swing-for-the-fences/comment-page-1/#comment-44462 sloppy Thu, 15 May 2008 17:10:21 +0000 http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/14/cmon-bud-swing-for-the-fences/#comment-44462 JD. I know Maris didn't deserve the *. That's why I said what I said. Giving Bonds an asterisk is saying his #s are the same as Maris' JD. I know Maris didn’t deserve the *. That’s why I said what I said. Giving Bonds an asterisk is saying his #s are the same as Maris’

]]> By: John Delcos http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/14/cmon-bud-swing-for-the-fences/comment-page-1/#comment-44457 John Delcos Thu, 15 May 2008 16:57:41 +0000 http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/14/cmon-bud-swing-for-the-fences/#comment-44457 Sloppy: Maris never deserved an asterisk because he did it within the rules. Bonds and Clemens have cheated.-JD Sloppy: Maris never deserved an asterisk because he did it within the rules. Bonds and Clemens have cheated.-JD

]]> By: sloppy http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/14/cmon-bud-swing-for-the-fences/comment-page-1/#comment-44456 sloppy Thu, 15 May 2008 16:52:33 +0000 http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/14/cmon-bud-swing-for-the-fences/#comment-44456 So you think the Maris asterisk was equally deserved to the asterisk you want so badly to give Bonds? Makes snese to mne. Roger did have a horrible crime, hitting those HRs in a longer season...... So you think the Maris asterisk was equally deserved to the asterisk you want so badly to give Bonds? Makes snese to mne. Roger did have a horrible crime, hitting those HRs in a longer season…...

]]> By: JK http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/14/cmon-bud-swing-for-the-fences/comment-page-1/#comment-44454 JK Thu, 15 May 2008 16:40:08 +0000 http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/14/cmon-bud-swing-for-the-fences/#comment-44454 I would think the Maris family and Hank Aaron would appreciate having asterisks placed beside the tainted records of Bonds. I would think the Maris family and Hank Aaron would appreciate having asterisks placed beside the tainted records of Bonds.

]]> By: sloppy http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/14/cmon-bud-swing-for-the-fences/comment-page-1/#comment-44452 sloppy Thu, 15 May 2008 15:54:13 +0000 http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/14/cmon-bud-swing-for-the-fences/#comment-44452 Its very unfair to Roger Maris to have an asterisk placed beside a Bonds or Clemens record. If you want to punish the guy strip his name and records from the book or drop it. Leave the year blank....... Its very unfair to Roger Maris to have an asterisk placed beside a Bonds or Clemens record. If you want to punish the guy strip his name and records from the book or drop it.
Leave the year blank…....

]]> By: metsfan http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/14/cmon-bud-swing-for-the-fences/comment-page-1/#comment-44417 metsfan Thu, 15 May 2008 03:41:59 +0000 http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/14/cmon-bud-swing-for-the-fences/#comment-44417 Wow, so much mis-information, Bonds started taking steroids after the '98 season, read "Game of Shadows" or just look at his body. And yes, Bonds was a HOF player before he started juicing, anyone who doesn't see that doesn't know baseball, sorry. Wow, so much mis-information, Bonds started taking steroids after the ‘98 season, read “Game of Shadows” or just look at his body. And yes, Bonds was a HOF player before he started juicing, anyone who doesn’t see that doesn’t know baseball, sorry.

]]> By: Doug http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/14/cmon-bud-swing-for-the-fences/comment-page-1/#comment-44382 Doug Thu, 15 May 2008 00:22:43 +0000 http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/14/cmon-bud-swing-for-the-fences/#comment-44382 Bonds allegedly started steroids in 2000. By 2000 he was already a Hall of Famer. 3 MVPs, well over 400 homers, ect. No question about it. Bonds allegedly started steroids in 2000. By 2000 he was already a Hall of Famer. 3 MVPs, well over 400 homers, ect.

No question about it.

]]> By: Dan Gurney http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/14/cmon-bud-swing-for-the-fences/comment-page-1/#comment-44381 Dan Gurney Thu, 15 May 2008 00:08:30 +0000 http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/14/cmon-bud-swing-for-the-fences/#comment-44381 If Selig does. both he (and Fehr) should quit. They both let this happen and they both are too stupid to kept it swept under the rug like the NFL does. As Bill Simmons noted when Shawn Merriman was caught "He is as big as Anthony Munoz and as fast as Jerry Rice. People should have realized this wasn't natural". Accept the blame Bud, not the responsibility (people who are to blame lose their jobs, people who are responsible do not). If Selig does. both he (and Fehr) should quit. They both let this happen and they both are too stupid to kept it swept under the rug like the NFL does. As Bill Simmons noted when Shawn Merriman was caught “He is as big as Anthony Munoz and as fast as Jerry Rice. People should have realized this wasn’t natural”. Accept the blame Bud, not the responsibility (people who are to blame lose their jobs, people who are responsible do not).

]]> By: Dave http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/14/cmon-bud-swing-for-the-fences/comment-page-1/#comment-44375 Dave Wed, 14 May 2008 23:47:11 +0000 http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/14/cmon-bud-swing-for-the-fences/#comment-44375 ...I mean check out baseballreference.com. Bonds was a leadoff hitter his first 4 seasons in Pittsburgh never driving in more than 59 runs in a season. It's absurd to say that this course would have resulted in a HOF career. Look for Barry to have taken his first injection somewhere in the early '90s ...I mean check out baseballreference.com. Bonds was a leadoff hitter his first 4 seasons in Pittsburgh never driving in more than 59 runs in a season. It’s absurd to say that this course would have resulted in a HOF career. Look for Barry to have taken his first injection somewhere in the early ‘90s

]]> By: Dave http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/14/cmon-bud-swing-for-the-fences/comment-page-1/#comment-44374 Dave Wed, 14 May 2008 23:38:52 +0000 http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/14/cmon-bud-swing-for-the-fences/#comment-44374 ...just can't let that one go Ravi. Bonds had a HOF career before he started juicing??? Are you kidding me?? Dude looked like Kenny Lofton until he started hitting the needle, had about as much pop as Reyes. You really thought when he first got to the Bigs that he might have trouble reaching 10 dingers per season. You are mistaken my friend.... ...just can’t let that one go Ravi. Bonds had a HOF career before he started juicing??? Are you kidding me?? Dude looked like Kenny Lofton until he started hitting the needle, had about as much pop as Reyes. You really thought when he first got to the Bigs that he might have trouble reaching 10 dingers per season. You are mistaken my friend….

]]> By: John Delcos http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/14/cmon-bud-swing-for-the-fences/comment-page-1/#comment-44373 John Delcos Wed, 14 May 2008 23:36:44 +0000 http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/14/cmon-bud-swing-for-the-fences/#comment-44373 Doug: Yes, Selig is guilty, too. The Mitchell Report said it went to the top. Maybe that's why Bud is being a wimp on this. Innocent until proven guilty? Bonds has already admitted to using, but said he didn't know what he was doing. Such nonsense.-JD Doug: Yes, Selig is guilty, too. The Mitchell Report said it went to the top. Maybe that’s why Bud is being a wimp on this.

Innocent until proven guilty? Bonds has already admitted to using, but said he didn’t know what he was doing.

Such nonsense.-JD

]]> By: metsfan http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/14/cmon-bud-swing-for-the-fences/comment-page-1/#comment-44366 metsfan Wed, 14 May 2008 22:42:27 +0000 http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/14/cmon-bud-swing-for-the-fences/#comment-44366 i can't imagine anything more un-american then the notion that someone is guilty until proven innocent. I don't like Barry, but he's in the process of being found guilty, can't we just wait for that to happen? and THEN, make these kind of proclamations? i can’t imagine anything more un-american then the notion that someone is guilty until proven innocent. I don’t like Barry, but he’s in the process of being found guilty, can’t we just wait for that to happen? and THEN, make these kind of proclamations?

]]> By: JK http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/14/cmon-bud-swing-for-the-fences/comment-page-1/#comment-44363 JK Wed, 14 May 2008 22:04:27 +0000 http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/14/cmon-bud-swing-for-the-fences/#comment-44363 If there is no evidence that someone cheated, then they deserve the benefit of the doubt. They deserve a **free pass**, even if the public "thinks" he cheated. His record deserves to stand since he may indeed be innocent. But when there is clear evidence that someone cheated, why should he get a free pass? If they were ever to consider asterisking records, then they should institute some committee so they can sort out the cases were the evidence is not clear. Let a 3-member committee decide it. If there is no evidence that someone cheated, then they deserve the benefit of the doubt. They deserve a free pass, even if the public “thinks” he cheated. His record deserves to stand since he may indeed be innocent.

But when there is clear evidence that someone cheated, why should he get a free pass?

If they were ever to consider asterisking records, then they should institute some committee so they can sort out the cases were the evidence is not clear. Let a 3-member committee decide it.

]]> By: pvhornet05 http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/14/cmon-bud-swing-for-the-fences/comment-page-1/#comment-44362 pvhornet05 Wed, 14 May 2008 22:01:29 +0000 http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/14/cmon-bud-swing-for-the-fences/#comment-44362 John you don't believe that Brian injected Debbie Clemens with steroids. C'mon it is normal for a "close friend" to inject another friends wife with steroids in the buttocks area. John you don’t believe that Brian injected Debbie Clemens with steroids. C’mon it is normal for a “close friend” to inject another friends wife with steroids in the buttocks area.

]]> By: Ceetar http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/14/cmon-bud-swing-for-the-fences/comment-page-1/#comment-44361 Ceetar Wed, 14 May 2008 21:47:09 +0000 http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/14/cmon-bud-swing-for-the-fences/#comment-44361 "However, my belief is ANY player linked to drug use should be noted with an asterisk. I also believe this era should be designated as the steroid era.-JD" It already is the Steroid Era. that's what we refer to it as, and all the records are suspect because of it. Now, putting an asterisk next to Bonds and Clemens (or even 'everyone') implies that the other records/players are clean. This almost gives a free pass to the cheaters that got away with it. “However, my belief is ANY player linked to drug use should be noted with an asterisk. I also believe this era should be designated as the steroid era.-JD”

It already is the Steroid Era. that’s what we refer to it as, and all the records are suspect because of it.

Now, putting an asterisk next to Bonds and Clemens (or even ‘everyone’) implies that the other records/players are clean. This almost gives a free pass to the cheaters that got away with it.

]]> By: JK http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/14/cmon-bud-swing-for-the-fences/comment-page-1/#comment-44360 JK Wed, 14 May 2008 21:41:25 +0000 http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/14/cmon-bud-swing-for-the-fences/#comment-44360 JD -- As one of the most outspoken fans here against PEDs, of course I agree with you. There should be asterisks next to records where 1) someone has failed a steroids test or 2) other evidence exists that he used steroids. But I doubt it ever happens. Don't hold your breath. The players union would be screaming about it, and it would open up a can of worms. Doug -- Steroids were not even available to athletes in the U.S. when Mantle, Williams, Mays and DiMaggio played. So I don't think there's any question they were clean in this regard. As for other PEDs, I don't think there is any other type that can raise the performance level of athletes the way steroids can. Not even close. That's why those found to have cheated with steroids should be treated the most harshly. As for Bonds, in all likelihood, it's just a matter of time before he is convicted. I doubt he walks. I agree that Selig is guilty of having turned a blind eye, but even if he had wanted to do something, he couldn't as the unions were always throwing up roadblocks. JD—As one of the most outspoken fans here against PEDs, of course I agree with you. There should be asterisks next to records where 1) someone has failed a steroids test or 2) other evidence exists that he used steroids.

But I doubt it ever happens. Don’t hold your breath. The players union would be screaming about it, and it would open up a can of worms.

Doug—Steroids were not even available to athletes in the U.S. when Mantle, Williams, Mays and DiMaggio played. So I don’t think there’s any question they were clean in this regard. As for other PEDs, I don’t think there is any other type that can raise the performance level of athletes the way steroids can. Not even close. That’s why those found to have cheated with steroids should be treated the most harshly.

As for Bonds, in all likelihood, it’s just a matter of time before he is convicted. I doubt he walks. I agree that Selig is guilty of having turned a blind eye, but even if he had wanted to do something, he couldn’t as the unions were always throwing up roadblocks.

]]> By: Tiffany http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/14/cmon-bud-swing-for-the-fences/comment-page-1/#comment-44358 Tiffany Wed, 14 May 2008 21:06:10 +0000 http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/14/cmon-bud-swing-for-the-fences/#comment-44358 Sue Simmons for MLB Commissioner! Sue Simmons for MLB Commissioner!

]]> By: Ravi http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/14/cmon-bud-swing-for-the-fences/comment-page-1/#comment-44357 Ravi Wed, 14 May 2008 20:53:09 +0000 http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/14/cmon-bud-swing-for-the-fences/#comment-44357 Agree with Doug.....as MUCH as I hate both Clemens and Bonds, and as much as I believe they took PED's, they are still technically innocent. Should they be proven guilty in the court of law, then I'd fully expect Selig to take action against them in the record books. Sure its unfair to go after just two players, but these guys built Hall of Fame careers on the juice. It tarnishes the sanctity of the game, and the Hall. Bonds is an egregious offender, because he had a Hall of Fame career before he started shooting up. Instead, he sullied arguable the most hallowed record in American pro-sports. Agree with Doug…..as MUCH as I hate both Clemens and Bonds, and as much as I believe they took PED’s, they are still technically innocent. Should they be proven guilty in the court of law, then I’d fully expect Selig to take action against them in the record books. Sure its unfair to go after just two players, but these guys built Hall of Fame careers on the juice. It tarnishes the sanctity of the game, and the Hall. Bonds is an egregious offender, because he had a Hall of Fame career before he started shooting up. Instead, he sullied arguable the most hallowed record in American pro-sports.

]]> By: Annie Savoy http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/14/cmon-bud-swing-for-the-fences/comment-page-1/#comment-44356 Annie Savoy Wed, 14 May 2008 20:48:34 +0000 http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/14/cmon-bud-swing-for-the-fences/#comment-44356 CP - Did nothing? The President of the United States mentioned the issue in the State of the Union Address on January 21, 2004. That prompted me and many others to write to their Senators, Representatives and to the major newspapers. A couple of years ago Congress had the hearings where Schilling couldn't remember, McGwire just wanted to talk about the past, Palmiero pointed a finger at the questioners and Sosa forgot how to speak English. This past winter, Roger helped our cause by lying to Congress which resulted in an all out FBI investigation of his actions/records/finances etc. Those guys/gals don't miss much. CP –
Did nothing?

The President of the United States mentioned the issue in the State of the Union Address on January 21, 2004. That prompted me and many others to write to their Senators, Representatives and to the major newspapers.

A couple of years ago Congress had the hearings where Schilling couldn’t remember, McGwire just wanted to talk about the past, Palmiero pointed a finger at the questioners and Sosa forgot how to speak English.

This past winter, Roger helped our cause by lying to Congress which resulted in an all out FBI investigation of his actions/records/finances etc. Those guys/gals don’t miss much.

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