Plus, the market isn’t always right. Was Zito worth as much as he got, even before his implosion? I didn’t think so, and neither did the Mets, which is why they didn’t make a strong push for him.

So just because Ollie gets 5 years 60M from someone, that might only be what he was worth to that 1 team. That doesn’t mean anyone else thought he was worth that. If I were the GM of the Mets, Ollie is not the kind of player I would invest that kind of years and money in, regardless of what the market said he was worth. So if someone wants to give Ollie that many years/$, god bless ‘em. I don’t think he’s worth that, because I don’t place that kind of value on his production.

The Daisuke sweepstakes are a really great example of why the market isn’t perfect. The Mets edged out the Yankees for second, but they had bids in the same ballpark. The Sox came in and blew everyone away for Daisuke. Now the Sox look smart. Daisuke is pitching great, but like the Zito example shows, you should only set the market if you are really confident in that player. We’re talking Manny Ramirez, ARod, Jeter, Johan, Pedro type players.

Look at a guy like Billy Beane. He plays the “market” like a seasoned broker. With a high success rate, he sells high and buys low. He got fantastic performance from a guy like Haren on the cheap, sold on him before he became super expensive, and re-stocked his system with cheap and effective young arms like Eveland, Smith, and Gio Gonzalez.

I don’t know what the Mets situation will be like come this offseason. Perhaps Niese will be ready to go. Maybe another minor leaguer emerges. But even if that isn’t the case, I would personally rather give Derek Lowe 3 years for 27M or Jon Garland 4 years for 36M than Ollie 5 years at 60M.

A question for you Keith. Why is a player not worth what the market will bear? If the market says you, in whatever profession you are in, are worth 2 million a year, are you not worth it? Aren’t you, as are ballplayers worth whatever the payer is willing to pay for your work? If the market says your value is low you don’t get the big deal like Kyle Lohse….....What am I missing, please….

Look, I am a huge Ollie fan. I love having him on this team and I love his stuff. But, like most ballplayers who become free agents, I just don’t think he’ll be worth what he’ll get on the free market.

I think it’s too early to judge Ollie and whether or not to offer him a contract. They probably want to see how he does the rest of the year first. But even assuming he has a year as good as last year, you know the Mets probably won’t give Boras what he wants and won’t be the high bidder.

At any rate, they should offer arbitration so they get the draft pick if he leaves.

When you get right down to it, Ollie’s problems are between his ears. Power lefties with multi-pitch arsenals don’t grow on trees; I think you have to be very patient with one who has shown the ability to put it all together but suffers from occasional lapses in concentration.

“The other thing to remember is that, while Ollie relies strictly on stuff right now, there’s the chance he matures into a pitcher who can use some guile, as well.”

And I think the above quote isn’t very realistic. If you want to make that argument for Maine, I’ll listen to it. But Ollie has difficulty repeating his delivery and is all over the place. He’s not exactly a control specialist. Once you lose a couple of miles off the fastball and the slider doesn’t bite as much, those guys on base via walk turn into big time runs from homers.

Ollie needs to listen to pitching coaches. As i said earlier when he listens he excels when he thinks he is better than he is , he craps out.

As far as willie being manager, he’s probably trying to be an even handed calm manager. We can all second guess him because hindsight is 20-20.

With that being said. lets win some more!!!

The other thing to remember is that, while Ollie relies strictly on stuff right now, there’s the chance he matures into a pitcher who can use some guile, as well. It’s hard to give up on a 26-yr-old lefty power pitcher because he’s immature.

Ollie relies strictly on stuff. Imagine giving him 5 years and 3 years in he loses all his stuff. He would get rocked harder than Victor Z.

And that means he hasn’t looked good??? I’ve seen him in his other outings and he looked fine to me.

Anyways two out of three, Pelfrey pitched well in the loss, now in second behind the Marlins. Just keep building on it.

OP-If Pedro goes out and wins 8-10 games I’d bet Mets will resign him for a yr w/an option for a 2nd. Then even if OP wins 15 or so, they will claim that Boras’ demands are too high and they won’t sign him b/c they have Santana, Maine, Pedro and Pelfrey plus a scrub.

The rotation this wk-if the game is rained out tonite, then it appears that only one game will have to be pitched by a NO guy even w/the 23 games in 22 days starting 5/20. If they do not have a rain out tonite, then the NO guys will have to pitch b/w now and 6/8.

there is no doubt that Ramirez is a very good hitter but his defense at short is not very good. He is by far a better hitter than reyes but reyes is a much better fielder. I rather have my short stop a better fielder than hitter. I can see the marlins moving him to the out field down the road.

Ye, I see your point, I agree. I would have thought that he would have been working on building arm strength in the off season.