I saw the repeat at night and they did not show enuf to say what Johnnie looked like. So I cannot argue on what he looked like.

I agree that the pitchers this year needed to be taken out because they had nothing.

This however is not because these guys are physically incapable. It is the expectations and how they are treated. In the spring they go 2 or 3 and then they are ready for the season.

In the minors they are not taught to go long. The way Darling and others describe it the daily training is way different.

For example, I heard someone say that pitchers are taught to throw 150 ft for long toss. They never used to do that. It was always the mound to the plate. Pitchers also seem to get hurt more which is probably a reflection of the new training methods and roids.

As they do with kids. If you expect the kid to fail they will. If you expect the pitcher to only go 5 they will.

Buck buck buck buck buck!

PS: I said to myself after a 11 run win there couldn’t possibly be any little metsies complaining could there?? And there were.. Little Metsies are the worst fans in the universe. Tiffany you are much too good to be a little metsie.

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/player.php?p=lolicmi01

My favorite Lolich stat, though, was that he drew 20 walks as a hitter in 1972. A pitcher drawing 20 walks. That’s crazy.

Lets hope he remains our Ace of diamonds.

Lets Go Mets !!

I agree with dave. Listen for all those years there was only one pitcher. bullpen what was that? you either pitched or you were on the bench.

I dont think Maine was losing it at all. A full outing would only boost is confidence and make him stronger. Many people forget, a starter was only pulled from a game not for his pitch count but he was sucking to the point of no return.

Otherwise they would be left in to pitch out of it…
Thats like taking the Quarterback out of a football game because he reached his limit on throws.

;-)

With regards to the stats you put up about the Mets pen and the number of outings. I agree with you that the Mets starters need to go more innings…their inability to do that has been driving me nuts! Still, in most of those cases, they didn’t go longer because they were sucking it up and Willie had no choice. In the case of tonite, Sanchez was one of the few who hadn’t pitched in a couple days, so the work wasn’t going to hurt him, and if anything it would keep him sharp. Maine did his part though in allowing everyone else to stay rested.

He had double digit CG for 10 years with over 250 innings a year.

Baseball has been around for what 150 years? I realize that I am breaking new ground here and demanding that a pitcher actually finish a game that he started because well for 150 years very few pitchers are strong enough to do that.

Perhaps baseball can try something new and demand that their pitchers actually try to pitch more than half a game because well they are supposed to be athletes.

Now bear with me. Some people define an athlete as someone who is trained or gifted in contests involving physical activity involving stamina and strength.

But perhaps I am wrong and baseball players are in fact not athletes and neither are the pitchers.

Never mind.