Mets Chat Room: Power picks up Maine.
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John Maine didn’t have his best stuff tonight, but was picked up by the offense. The Mets were tied with San Diego for last in the NL with six homers, but got three tonight from Ryan Church, Jose Reyes and Carlos Beltran.
I’ll wrap up the game for you below, and invite you to check into the Chat Room to share your thoughts on how you saw the game.
FROM THE CLUBHOUSE
John Maine on his performance: “I have been up in all three games. I don’t have a great feeling with my fastball right now.’’
Willie Randolph on the home run barrage: “I don’t concern myself with home runs, but it’s nice when they happen. I’ll take them.’’
Ryan Church on hitting second in the order: “I love it. I see more fastballs with (Jose) Reyes on base and hitting in front of David (Wright). I’ll get a pitch that I can do something with.’’
GAME ANALYSIS
1st INNING: John Maine’s control was off, but Ryan Church goes deep off lefty Matt Chico. Mets 1, Washington 1.
2nd INNING: Maine settled down, but the Mets missed a chance to get at Chico.
3rd INNING: It’s cold. Bubba Burgers are overrated. And, the between innings music has been lousy tonight.
5th INNING: There’s nothing quite like power. Homers from Reyes and Carlos Beltran have smoothed the edges from Maine’s rough outing. Mets 5, Washington 2.
7th INNING: Maine didn’t make it through seven. He gave up two runs on five hits and four walks in 6 2/3 innings. Power picked him up. Nice job by Joe Smith to get out of the inning.
9th INNING: Billy Wagner gets the save.
NOTEBOOK
Tonight was the Mets’ first come-from-behind victory of the season. … The Mets have used the same outfield of Angel Pagan, Carlos Beltran and Ryan Church in each game. … Pagan’s hitting streak was snapped at seven games.
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You metsies won a game and you still booed your team. you metsaie fans are absolutely “despicable” the most “despicable” fans in the world. The whole country is talking about how “despicable” you little metsies are. The metsie fans are the laughingstock of the entire country.
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If you don’t believe me ask the smartest metsie fan in the whole world. JK said the met fans are “despicable” and JK was absolutely right. No wonder there are so many more yankee fans. Its because metsies are “despicable” fans…..
JK is going to switch to the yankees because the metsie fans are “despicable” .....
Delgado is still a rally killer and inconsistent. his one-offs dont help. I bet he’s still hurt. he has made a few good plays but the basics. sigh come on. everyone else is ramping up…
to have him drag us down. he needs to be move to the 7 spot.
yeah yeah.. bring it on.. but people are beginning to see what i have seen for the past year plus.
Hi DC: Mets fans despicable? Apparently you’ve never been to a game in Yankee Stadium. Or Fenway? Or Philly?-JD
If he’s a DC fan, he hasn’t even been to his own park, much less anywhere else.
As for the game itself, I know that Maine isn’t Greg Maddux-like with his control, but what is wrong with him?
Just goes to show you that Spring Training means nothing.
Mike: He threw 21 pitches that inning. Only eight for strikes. Actually, he’s lucky he’s only down one.-JD
For the record, Maine now has 10 walks in 11 innings. He is really pounding the outside of that strike zone.
HR off a leftie.
JM: Love the sarcasm. Good to see Church off to a good start.-JD
I agree with Mike – I don’t think DC is a fan of anything. I think he is just a pest.
Annie-
Well, that too…but I was referring more to the Nats attendance in their BRAND NEW park…you know…20th in the league??
I think DC is nothing more than a moron with very little intelligence, his post speak for itself. The funny thing is I haven’t read one of his post since I said I wouldn’t, why would I when they are the most idiotic post in cyber space. I think the moron is really a yankee fan who doesn’t have the balls to admit it.
Enough with the BS flaming. we are not infants.
I want to see the pitchers go 8 innings. because honestly our bullpen needs to be less used.
i hate this pitch count crap…
and when will they abolish inter-league..
Hey JD help us start a petition to end it..
Amazing that Maine has such knowledge of the strike zone when he hits.
he wants to be a hitting pitcher.
i think thats good.
You know another thing wrong with baseball today?? It’s become too soft. That fatso Belliard is now 9-for-12 off Maine.
Pray tell what someone like Seaver, Koufax or Gibson would have done to him by now.
To Steve C.: I can’t begin to say how much I hate interleague. Mets-Yankees has run its course. It only meant something in the World Series.-JD
Mike: He’d be on his butt.-JD
Good recovery by Johnny.
Amen.
JD- My point exactly. I don’t condone HURTING anyone…but come on…
IF Mets-Yanks needs to continue, it must do so 3 times a year. Nothing will every top that very first game where Mlicki hurled that complete game…that was just magical because of the uniqueness at the time.
That being said, it has more than run it’s course on a personal level, and from a competition standpoint, it’s completely unfair.
The Mets play the Yankees six times a year while the Phillies get the vaunted Orioles??
predictable with delgado. but i have to say he got robbed on that one. but still. No-clutch delgado..
there’s a website that shows clutch percentages.
I hate to say it, and I do hope I’m wrong, but I fear that Carlos Delgado has focused so much on going the other way he’s turning into Shawn Green.
Steve C. Tell us the link.-JD
There is nothing like Diamondbacks-Mariners. The history, the pageantry, the contrast in weather.
Not sure the Mets are really ‘in’ this game tonight….
Kearns HR, 2-1 Nats..
Maine just does not look right so far to begin this season..
And, bad play by Beltran…...
JM: That’s a good one, but Pittsburgh and Kansas City gives me the chills.-JD
I don’t want anymore Mets/Yankees games unless they are Post Season.
Mike – perhaps DC should go to the new DC park tomorrow – when the Pope is there :)
hardball times.
here’s delgados.
http://www.hardballtimes.com/thtstats/main/player/index.php?lastName=Delgado&firstName=Carlos
Steve C –
I’d like to add something to the ‘get rid of interleague’ petition, OK?
Let’s get rid of the DH, too.
Annie, thats only american kiddie league. national league doesnt have DH. so what you really want is to get rid of the american league. hmm intriguing. ;-]
So john. why not setup a petition for all of us to sign and you can hand it to the powers.
maine – now thats the way to make Willie forget about the 4th Inning. now all we need is 3 runs.. ;-)
SO JD- when does Delgado get booted to 7th spot hitting? i like castillo at 8th.
Mike –
Bob Gibson wouldn’t even allow his catcher to come to the mound to speak with him. Tim McCarver can tell some really good stories about some of the hard nosed pitchers he caught – also Steve Carlson who wouldn’t talk with anyone.
At least Maine has limited his pitch count the last few innings (73 through 5 IP) and could get through 7 if all goes well.
John – here’s a question for you, when did the game really begin to change and what was the impetus for the change? Money? Weak Commissioners? Players Union? Or, other things?
Annie-
If I can speak for JD (before he speaks, of course!), I think the advent of free agency is what changed everything. Money, to a point, but also the fact that guys who used to be limited to one team, unless traded, now play for multiple teams in their careers. These guys are all friends now and while many used to be as well, I think it’s totally different now.
I’m only 29, but everything I’ve seen, read, heard…guys like Frank Robinson and Willie Mays were not often cavorting with the opposition during games like you see today.
Matt Chico allows a hit to every Mets batter this inning, including 2 long balls, and Delgado can’t even put it in play. There’s one in every group.
Good job by them though to knock Chico out after 5, you don’t wanna face their bullpen when you’re losing. It’s the only aspect of the game the Nats have figured out.
I mean it is so true, as Jose Reyes goes, this Mets team goes. Those few days off really did Mr. Reyes wonders. Mark my words, Beltran goes off now, sometimes all it takes is one big fly to get it going.
Delado is a rally killer.
tell me now how important to the team he is?
He may have been at one time. but its over .. its sad it happens to the best. But he needs to sit it out and let people that can hit and field play.
Mike- I disagree cavorting with the other team? of course they would.. come on… they hang out afterwards. its a job. then you go home…
What i dont like is that the pitch count screws things up. and then the anti-retaliation after a hit bats men. when the umpire warns the team that got hit. i hate that!!
Where’s all the love for Lastings Milledge tonight? I’m hearing far more boos.-JD
I’m cheering for him, but Sam is the only one hearing me. I’m also cheering a bit for Nick Johnson. I’m not cheering for Lo Duca – where is he tonight, anyway?
he’s on the other team. I believe in booing the other team but never the METS. I hate the fake fans that boo their own team. bah!
so JD- do u think Willie will let maine pitch 8?
Where was everybody last night? I’m surprised there are so many more posts tonight with the Rangers playing. I guess the Mets heard what Mike and Mad Dog said about them earlier today, only having six home runs.
Has Maine really looked that bad, even though he’s only given up two runs? 84 pitches through six innings is decent.
Annie- he got injured. too much juice. sigh my favorite met. and he was a juicer. damn him to hell!
Steve C- I’m not saying no one was friends. What I’m saying is ON THE FIELD it was not as friendly as it is now. And I also think the game used to be much more of a “job” to those players than today’s.
Not that baseball is less of a business TODAY because it’s not, but for the players…it was a game but also their means of living. For to many players today, it’s a paycheck.
But I do agree…the umpires are a MAJOR, MAJOR factor. It’s pathetic really how much they interfere.
See now in the old days. after a pitcher almost got hit. the next batter he faced would get beaned.
JM – coming strong with the funnies tonight! I love it!
Here’s a thought: start trying Angel Pagan at first base in practice. Anybody with me?
tomg – Let’s not give that crown to DC. I’m sure you remember the infamous Yenner Mot (and other names) from the Rangers blog!
Spiderpig – count me in. but you probably knew that already.
Steve C –
Have you ever played a competitive sport? Cavorting with your opponent is a no-no. You want to stomp on them.
It wasn’t the money that ruined the game. It was the guys hiding their stirrups. Give me a guy who proudly displays his stirrups and I’ll give you a ballplayer who gives a damn.
Where have you gone Bob Murphy, Lindsey Nelson, and Ralph Kiner?
Most New Yorkers like mustard on their pretzel!!! sorry Gary , but that is NOT a Philly thing…..
I don’t need a guy who lives up in the ultra rich area of Greenwich Connecticut telling me how us New Yorkers need to eat our pretzels…
This is why , I get my Mets baseball on the WFAN, ...Howie got screwed, he should have been the guy they put on SNY…..
Gary, you really have no friggin clue…..
To Steve C.: He has 90 pitches two outs into the seventh, but I think Willie will go to the pen.-JD
Maine has been struggling early this season. It needs to be addressed.
Spiderpig –
OK, I’ll bite – How are the Rangers/Devils doing?
Gut check time for John Maine, just needs to retire Belliard and he can shower.
Annie – Haha, horrendous officiating on both sides, but mostly against the Rangers, I think, even though I’m biased. The Devils just tied the game after a Devil slashed the stick out of the Rangers’ goalie’s hand. It’s hard to watch because of the bad officiating. It’s hard for me to complain about baseball umpires right now.
Mustard on pretzles absolutely.
Maine- man in the 70’s and 80’s the pitcher would have been left in to get himself out of that mess.
I hate picth counts… hate hate hate..
i need a drink..
Good decision to pull Maine at this point. Zimmerman is the tying run and Maine didn’t give you a sense tonight it was a slam dunk he’d get out of it. ... Great job there by Joe Smith.-JD
Smith is hotttttttttttttttt.
What happens when Wise is ready to come back??
Maine is such a fricken sportsman. did you see his reaction. and also in the dugout. good for him…
JD- perhaps. but the bullpen has been sketchy. they do look a wee bit better than last year. But i like my starters going to 8 or 9. call me old fashioned.
I agree with you Steve by and large, but in that particular instance…it was time. Two straight walks, whether we like it or not (because of the pitch count), he probably was getting gassed…so, it was probably a wise move.
Spiderpig – the town where I live sent two guys to the Majors – Brian Leetch and Brad Ausmus. So we are all interested in those sports. When the Rangers won the Stanley Cup with Brian – he brought it home to the High School so everyone could see it. Brian and Brad were also the battery on the High School baseball team that won a state championship.
anyone watching American Idol? Elliot Yamin!!! I had to turn the channel, Gary Cohen is killing me…..the only guy that has a clue is Howie….
PS – We will be fine, Pedro and El Duque fighting for the 5 spot!!!! not bad
Good call by Willie, and great stuff from Joe Smith. As to what happens when Wise returns in a few weeks, I think the Mets will make the only logical move and send Joe Smith to NOLA in case they ever need Jorge Sosa to walk the ball park and give up homeruns.
I snickered a little when Milledge got hit.
I’m a bad person.
Annie – That’s so cool. Were you there to see the Cup? How did you feel about Brian being traded from the Rangers to Leafs? Pretty bad move by Sather, in my opinion.
Good to hear Smith is hot again. Hopefully, he can keep it up, unlike last season.
Lets Go METS!
Spiderpig – Yes, it was cool. My late husband was a volunteer hockey ref in town and came home one day and said Brian was a comer – at age 6 he could skate back and forth without falling down even once.
I wasn’t at MSG to see the cup game, but I saw it on TV and the actual cup I did see at the High School.
Nobody liked Brian being traded – Glen Sather was a jerk then and is a jerk now. I once got to go to Hockey Night in Canada at the Forum and met Jean Belliveau – that was a Big Deal for me.
Oh No – did I hear Howie say “Billy Wagner”. Cross your fingers.
Johnny Estrada is listed at 254 pounds.
Beltran…you scared the crap out of me.
I guess that’s why you’re a gold glover.
It’s in the Books, says Howie. – John Maine owes Beltran for this one – and I sense a Mets awakening. Sweep tomorrow?
“Heeeeeee struck him out!”
Cross your fingers for Wagner? It was a save situation; he should do well, which he did, I guess.
Wow, I just heard on the ESPN2 game that the Yankees fans complained about Hawkins wearing #21 since that was O’Neil’s number. What a bunch of whiners. Annie, what’s your opinion, since I know (if I remember correctly) that you’re a fan of both teams?
Thats a wrap! woohoo!!!!
Both teams? there are 2 NY teams. The Mets and who?
;-]
Great win tonight. Maine, despite some control issues, was very good, Joe Smith and Wagner were fantastic, and the offense did a good job as well, chasing Chico after 5 innings.
Let’s make it a sweep tomorrow night!
another solid win!
Yes, I am a fan of both because the Yankees were my Dad’s team and he taught me about baseball and took me to games starting when I was about 3. The Mets are mine.
I think they should have left Hawkins alone with #21 – Paul O’Neill, a short term, but well loved Yankee is never going to have his number retired.
In fact, the only number I believe will be retired is #2 (since 42 is already retired for Jackie Robinson).
Ok, Now Annie is the Met and Ranger know it all on this Blog??? Sorry about your hubby, but we have all lost family…and I was at the cup game…but I guess since you saw it on TV you know it all…..I met Glen Sather for a benefit for sick kids, A jerk as you say…..well he helped my sick kid ....nice going Annie…..
PS – Every High School has kids that made it…geez you are sooo special…...
PSS – wre you at big shea tonight? just wondering…...
Another solid win against a team you have to beat up on.
Maine-he should take a page out of Pelfrey’s cool and calm book. He just seems to want to rush thru the end of his games. Hope he calms down.
Reyes-maybe the best thing that happened was for him to get a couple of days off.
Delgado-maybe he should take a couple days off.
Smith-does he get shafted or do they trade someone away when Wise is ready?
Milledge/Church-looks to me like Mets got the better of this, especially when you throw in Scheinder. Milledge is the same guy as before-can’t hit breaking pitches, makes poor breaks on balls, plays some goofy positions in the OF and does some bonehead baserunning. While Church is doing quite well against lefties and is making all the plays in the field. Maybe in the long run, it will be a mistake, but it looks pretty good now.
Delgy needs to take a seat.
Clear his mind and get him back to his hitting diary.
Whatever happened to that black book of Delgado’s. They would show it all the time in 06. Then never in 07 or so far this yr. Maybe that is the problem.
Scoopcoop…we’ve happened upon his problem.
He needs his diary back!!!
We must solve this issue!
Pedro is convinced he will be back in APRIL. I think all those eggs and mangos have gone to his head . . .
Oh, and the Braves are now 5 – 9. I’m fairly petty and enjoy watching the Braves lose more than I do the Mets win.
Braves lost another 1 run game. There BP is sad. Did Hudson get hurt? Only went 3 inn.
“More important to the Braves than their current three-game losing streak is figuring out the reason why Tim Hudson experienced such a decline in velocity in this latest setback.”
By the way Mike Jacobs 6hr/12 rbi. Can’t field but he is off to a hot start.
There’s like 4 or 5 guys down in AA who are hitting 400 so if we want to go down there for a replacement hitter we have choices.