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		<title>By: Keith</title>
		<link>http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/04/10/mets-sign-vargas/comment-page-1/#comment-39533</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 16:07:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;What&#039;s with the iPod? Is that a joke? You never know with The Jacket.&quot;

True story.  When Ollie first came over to the Mets Peterson wanted him to speed up his windup because, as Peterson said, he was doing the waltz when he needed to be doing the merengue.  So Peterson had him listen to his iPod while throwing side sessions to get him to speed up his windup and get into a rhythm.

&quot;nah JK, the brewers just gave up on him for shits and gigglesâ€¦obviously they gave up on him because he&#039;s not very good for some reason, whatever it is, teams don&#039;t just cut guys for the sake of it.&quot;

Here&#039;s the thing with Vargas.  He&#039;s no longer a prospect and they probably figured he would never pan out.  Coming out of Spring Training they had Sheets, Capuano, and Suppan as locks for the rotation.  But they also have a lot of good young arms: Parra, Villanueva, Gallardo, Bush, and a two other young arms in their top 11 prospect list.  Gallardo was essentially guaranteed a spot in the rotation as well.  So you basically had 3 pitchers competing for one spot in the rotation, and that&#039;s without Vargas.  

I can&#039;t stand the argument that Player X is worthless because Team X gave up on them.  Look around the majors: Keppinger, Nady (Padres gave up on him), Maine (O&#039;s), Brandon Phillips (Indians), etc.  There are many reasons why a player gets cut... and a lot of times it doesn&#039;t have to do with ability.  Sometimes a team just wants to go in a different direction.

Now, don&#039;t get me wrong.  Vargas isn&#039;t going to be an all star.  But he will be a very good 5th starter on a team like the Mets.  He will be moving from a top 10 offensive ballpark (Miller Field) to a park that traditionally suppresses home runs (Shea), which is what has plagued Vargas in his career.

The guy has good stuff and fits the MO of the kind of pitcher Peterson has had success in &quot;fixing.&quot;  Guys like Lawrence, Lima, Soler, and Gonzalez... there wasn&#039;t anything there to fix... they were junkballers.  But guys like Maine, Ollie, Feliciano, Sosa... they have live fastballs and good stuff.  Peterson has helped them to focus and pitch on the mound, rather than just throw.  

Given Peterson&#039;s history, I don&#039;t think it would be unreasonable to think Vargas could lower his walk rate a tick, and pitching in front of a better defense (the Brewers team D was awful last year) in a pitching favorable stadium could lead to him being a very solid #5 starter.

Again, I&#039;m not suggesting he will suddenly blossom into this dominant pitcher.  All he needs to do is go out and pitch a solid 6 innings per start so that the bullpen doesn&#039;t need to come into the game in the 4th inning, like they had to under the Jeremi Lawrence-Lima era.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What&#8217;s with the iPod? Is that a joke? You never know with The Jacket.&#8221;</p>
<p>True story.  When Ollie first came over to the Mets Peterson wanted him to speed up his windup because, as Peterson said, he was doing the waltz when he needed to be doing the merengue.  So Peterson had him listen to his iPod while throwing side sessions to get him to speed up his windup and get into a rhythm.</p>
<p>&#8220;nah JK, the brewers just gave up on him for shits and gigglesâ€¦obviously they gave up on him because he&#8217;s not very good for some reason, whatever it is, teams don&#8217;t just cut guys for the sake of it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the thing with Vargas.  He&#8217;s no longer a prospect and they probably figured he would never pan out.  Coming out of Spring Training they had Sheets, Capuano, and Suppan as locks for the rotation.  But they also have a lot of good young arms: Parra, Villanueva, Gallardo, Bush, and a two other young arms in their top 11 prospect list.  Gallardo was essentially guaranteed a spot in the rotation as well.  So you basically had 3 pitchers competing for one spot in the rotation, and that&#8217;s without Vargas.  </p>
<p>I can&#8217;t stand the argument that Player X is worthless because Team X gave up on them.  Look around the majors: Keppinger, Nady (Padres gave up on him), Maine (O&#8217;s), Brandon Phillips (Indians), etc.  There are many reasons why a player gets cut&#8230; and a lot of times it doesn&#8217;t have to do with ability.  Sometimes a team just wants to go in a different direction.</p>
<p>Now, don&#8217;t get me wrong.  Vargas isn&#8217;t going to be an all star.  But he will be a very good 5th starter on a team like the Mets.  He will be moving from a top 10 offensive ballpark (Miller Field) to a park that traditionally suppresses home runs (Shea), which is what has plagued Vargas in his career.</p>
<p>The guy has good stuff and fits the MO of the kind of pitcher Peterson has had success in &#8220;fixing.&#8221;  Guys like Lawrence, Lima, Soler, and Gonzalez&#8230; there wasn&#8217;t anything there to fix&#8230; they were junkballers.  But guys like Maine, Ollie, Feliciano, Sosa&#8230; they have live fastballs and good stuff.  Peterson has helped them to focus and pitch on the mound, rather than just throw.  </p>
<p>Given Peterson&#8217;s history, I don&#8217;t think it would be unreasonable to think Vargas could lower his walk rate a tick, and pitching in front of a better defense (the Brewers team D was awful last year) in a pitching favorable stadium could lead to him being a very solid #5 starter.</p>
<p>Again, I&#8217;m not suggesting he will suddenly blossom into this dominant pitcher.  All he needs to do is go out and pitch a solid 6 innings per start so that the bullpen doesn&#8217;t need to come into the game in the 4th inning, like they had to under the Jeremi Lawrence-Lima era.</p>
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		<title>By: dave</title>
		<link>http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/04/10/mets-sign-vargas/comment-page-1/#comment-39516</link>
		<dc:creator>dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 03:38:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just read a review on him. There was a quote by Omar that said at least he is healthy. His stats say 100 inning guy with a hit an inning. Basically a 5 era guy. You throw him out there and hope you can stay in the game. 

That seems about it. 

We have to hope that Big Pelf can hold it down and wait for one of the old guys to get better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just read a review on him. There was a quote by Omar that said at least he is healthy. His stats say 100 inning guy with a hit an inning. Basically a 5 era guy. You throw him out there and hope you can stay in the game. </p>
<p>That seems about it. </p>
<p>We have to hope that Big Pelf can hold it down and wait for one of the old guys to get better.</p>
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		<title>By: JK</title>
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		<dc:creator>JK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 22:31:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>metsfan, agreed that Vargas isn&#039;t very good. But he&#039;s serviceable as a 5th starter, so the Brewers must be very very deep in their rotation to have given up on Vargas who they are already paying I believe. My point about his inability to go deep into a game is that it may have been one of the consideration in giving up on him. Not that he was good otherwise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>metsfan, agreed that Vargas isn&#8217;t very good. But he&#8217;s serviceable as a 5th starter, so the Brewers must be very very deep in their rotation to have given up on Vargas who they are already paying I believe. My point about his inability to go deep into a game is that it may have been one of the consideration in giving up on him. Not that he was good otherwise.</p>
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		<title>By: OMAR PADILLA</title>
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		<dc:creator>OMAR PADILLA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 22:16:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another Montreal Met/New York Expo for Omar&#039;s growing collection. How many more out there for him to bring back to his new home?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another Montreal Met/New York Expo for Omar&#8217;s growing collection. How many more out there for him to bring back to his new home?</p>
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		<title>By: metsfan</title>
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		<dc:creator>metsfan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 22:14:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nah JK, the brewers just gave up on him for shits and giggles...obviously they gave up on him because he&#039;s not very good for some reason, whatever it is, teams don&#039;t just cut guys for the sake of it.  Either way, this is a NO risk move, not a low risk move, so basically, it&#039;s a good move.  If he pitches a good game here or there, great, if not, whatever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nah JK, the brewers just gave up on him for shits and giggles&#8230;obviously they gave up on him because he&#8217;s not very good for some reason, whatever it is, teams don&#8217;t just cut guys for the sake of it.  Either way, this is a NO risk move, not a low risk move, so basically, it&#8217;s a good move.  If he pitches a good game here or there, great, if not, whatever.</p>
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		<title>By: JK</title>
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		<dc:creator>JK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 22:09:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s with the iPod? Is that a joke? You never know with The Jacket. 

Vargas is good for depth/emergencies but unless Peterson can &quot;fix&quot; him he doesn&#039;t appear to be someone who will help the team long-term. He&#039;s not an efficient starter, failing to reach 6 innings in more than half his starts. That&#039;s something the team can ill afford. Maybe that&#039;s a reason why the Brewers gave up on him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s with the iPod? Is that a joke? You never know with The Jacket. </p>
<p>Vargas is good for depth/emergencies but unless Peterson can &#8220;fix&#8221; him he doesn&#8217;t appear to be someone who will help the team long-term. He&#8217;s not an efficient starter, failing to reach 6 innings in more than half his starts. That&#8217;s something the team can ill afford. Maybe that&#8217;s a reason why the Brewers gave up on him.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 21:16:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott: I don&#039;t recall whether he was a slow worker or not, but if he is, let&#039;s hope Peterson puts an iPod on him the same way he did with Ollie.

Sloppy:  Thanks.  There isn&#039;t anything wrong with the guys we have: Figgy, Armas, Bostick.  But I see these guys as organization type guys... you know, guys who stick with an organization and give you a spot start here and there, or even being long relievers.  I just can&#039;t see any of them being viable long term options for the rotation.  Vargas started off pretty good last year and has solid stuff.  Plus, we don&#039;t need miracles from him, just innings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott: I don&#8217;t recall whether he was a slow worker or not, but if he is, let&#8217;s hope Peterson puts an iPod on him the same way he did with Ollie.</p>
<p>Sloppy:  Thanks.  There isn&#8217;t anything wrong with the guys we have: Figgy, Armas, Bostick.  But I see these guys as organization type guys&#8230; you know, guys who stick with an organization and give you a spot start here and there, or even being long relievers.  I just can&#8217;t see any of them being viable long term options for the rotation.  Vargas started off pretty good last year and has solid stuff.  Plus, we don&#8217;t need miracles from him, just innings.</p>
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		<title>By: sloppy</title>
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		<dc:creator>sloppy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 20:57:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keith:  If you were GM he&#039;d be starting Friday because he&#039;d have been signed and stretched out by now.  Good call young man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keith:  If you were GM he&#8217;d be starting Friday because he&#8217;d have been signed and stretched out by now.  Good call young man.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott from Pelham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott from Pelham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 20:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hear that he works very slow.  Steve Trachsel slow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hear that he works very slow.  Steve Trachsel slow.</p>
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