Mets Chat Room: Pelfrey vs. Phils edition
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Welcome back to Mets Chat Room. It’s all set up for Mike Pelfrey to shine. It’s like the baseball gods have a crush on him.
Orlando Hernandez gets shut down the day before Pelfrey starts. That’s fate knocking on Pelfrey’s door.
Speaking about knocking, here’s a rip on Oliver Perez: If you want the big money, then suck it up and stay in the game.
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JD, do you think pagan could stay at the 2 hole if he does a good job while Castillo is out?
Speaking about knocking, here’s a rip on Oliver Perez: If you want the big money, the suck it up and stay in the game.
Did he ask to be taken out of the game?
ollie already got the big money; and he’ll get lots more next year… with or without lord delcos’ approval of his fortitude
There is no way that happens right now Anthony.
One of the reasons cited by Minaya when he signed Castillo to the ill-advised 4-year deal, was that he considered him a premier number two guy.
Of course that may not be the case anymore, but the Mets will keep him right in that two hole regardless.
Ollie got $6 million, and he should easily double that with a solid year. If the Mets dont get an extension soon, they go into 2009 with just Santana, Maine and Pelfrey.
Mets leaving men on base left and right, just pathetic.
Mets are a joke right now.. Kendrick is trying to give them the game.. 6 walks and you have ONE UNEARNED RUN?
Then Mike Pelfrey, pitching a great game, and gets NO Defense… Scared?
this team is an embarassment. i have never seen a club, horrible or good, get so few 2-out hits
Hey they found the secret. The more starters get hurt , the more subs will play and show the starters how to hit in the clutch….
Wow Mets leading 7-1, what a difference – now the Phillies are inept.
The only reason why we scored so many runs is because Rollins isn’t playing tonight, the shortstop who is in there tonight is brutal.
Hope Willie has regained his sunny personality now – he was really edgy during his weekly spot on the Mike and the Mad Dog Show this afternoon.
I’ll take it!
JM: So true!!!!!
Annie: I don’t think Willie has a sunny disposition any more.
Sorry for not responding earlier.
-To Anthony: Yes, I can see Pagan in the No. 2 hole with Castillo out. I like this guy a lot and want to see him do well.
-To LGMG: No, he didn’t ask to come out. But, he didn’t pitch well enough to give Randolph confidence to leave him in there. Three walks and three hits in 5 2/3 innings. Eventually, they were going to break out. It just so happens it came against the pen.
-To Indianametsfan: Lord Delcos? Hmmm … I like that.-JD
And this is what is wrong with the game today. And I don’t want to hear “we wanted to get him out of there feeling good about himself”
Pelfrey has not pitched in 11 days and just because he reached the magical 100-pitch count he has to be taken. I mean, the Phillies lineup is formidable, but 5-6-7 are due up…and you’re up five.
JD – I think that rip is uncalled for. Yes I think a pitcher needs to go 7 at a minimum, but it is April and his second game. Pitchers take a bit to get a groove.
I thought Big Pelf came through today. I did not get to catch all of it but what I did see he seemed to do well. After the big inning his pitches were up so I have no issue with them taking him out while he is successful. He can leave with a good feeling about himself. As we have said many times here it is all in his head right now. He needs to trust himself and go out and do it. This is the first step in the first 100 steps of his career.
Sure, I would have liked to have seen Pelfrey go at least six innings, but Mike is right. It’s a cold and rainy night and he hasn’t pitched in 11 days. That Pelfrey pitched five innings and left with a five-run lead is a positive showing for me.-JD
My recap for the Binghamton Mets.. Hope you enjoy.
The Binghamton Mets beat Akron tonight by a final score of 6-to-3. BIG night for 1B prospect Mike Carp, who continued his torrid start with a two run homerun (OFF A LEFTY), an RBI double, and a single, as he finished the night 3-5. Carp is now batting .409 in 7 games with 3 homeruns and 8 RBI.
~Here’s the thing with Carp. Everyone (including myself) has been extremely hard on him. This was a guy who lit up St. Lucie in 2006, but really struggled in Binghamton in 2006. Some (like myself) forget that Carp is only 22 years old, and though he’s repeating AA, he’s still at the appropriate age for the level. I know he has problems hitting lefties, but he’s healthy, and that’s the most important thing.
Also having a big night, prized OF prospect Fernando Martinez, who also added a homerun and double of his own, as he attempts to get out of an early season slump.
~If you don’t know, Fernando Martinez has been batting lead-off for the B-Mets in an attempt to get him more AB’s. Up until tonight, Martinez had been struggling mightily, and even with his two hits tonight he’s still hitting under .200. But he’s a beast, he’ll get through it.
Closing the games for the B-Mets, none other then 2007 top draft pick Eddie Kunz, who threw 1.1 innings to record the save. The save was Kunz’s 3rd, and he’s yet to give up a run on the early season.
~I’m not sure he’ll be in AA for much longer.. He’s good, real good..
Not forgotten, left handed pitcher Jon Niese threw 6 innings of one run ball last night, as he allowed just 2 hits and struck out 5.
~That’s two great starts in a row to start the season for the BEST pitching prospect in the system. I’ve jumped aboard the Jon Niese bandwagon, and I’m not getting off. The kid has some nasty stuff, and it’s possible we’ll be seeing him in the majors later this season.
Roger: Thanks very much. Your report adds a lot and is very much appreciated.-JD
Sloppy –
As usual, I’m listening to the game on WFAN and Howie just said he expects to see Billy Wagner in the game soon. Don’t know about Willie, but that sure takes the smile off my face – I think of Billy as the second coming of Mitch “Wild Thing” Williams.
Roger –
Thanks for the news about the B-Mets – particularly John Niese and Fernando Martinez. They looked good in Spring Training.
Yes, JD, it was definitely a positive outing for Pelfrey. Should have only been 1 run, too, if not for Reyes’ botched double play.
Finally, a win for Howie to “Put in the Books”. Looking forward to the Maine Man tomorrow night – after I watch the opening round of the Masters :)
Well, the Mets’ long nightmare against Philly is over. Phillies played like hell, but the Mets took advantage of their mistakes and Mike Pelfrey gave them a solid game. Also, nice job by the pen.-JD
Yeah, we won, but 8 runs on 5 hits. 5 hits in 8 innings. Course, practically everybody in the lineup had a walk. I couldn’t see the game, so I hope some of those outs were made on hard hit balls.
I’ll feel uneasy about this team until more than one guy in the lineup has a multi-hit game.
Chris: I am aware of the numbers you mentioned. But, what I take out of the game was they took advantage of what Philly gave them. That’s something they hadn’t been able to consistently do.-JD
It would not been that big of a deal for Wagner to come in. He has pitched 1 inn so far and needs to work. You could see how Feliciano was rusty b/c he too had only 1 inn.
The patience at the plate (walks) will pay off in the long run. Just seems that that extra day off and running into Hudson and Smoltz has most of the guys timing off. But walks are good. Most walks score (except tonite). And the more guys that are on base, the more likely the hitter will see fastballs. Mets are a fastball hitting team. Maybe that partially explains there troubles against Phils BP. Godon and Lidge are the only guys who throw hard. Mets have more trouble gets the soft tossers.
Pelfrey came out of the game either b/c the Phils started to time him (Utley 2b, Howard hard shot to 1b) or he was a little stiff (twisting his back off mound). Either way he was at 100 pitches in a rainy, cold nite. He looked alot more calm out there. I’d guess he knows that eldu is gonna be out for some time (if he ever comes back) and he does not have to look over his shoulder.
Glad to see some recognize that Phils have warts too. They have bad pitching despite how Mets hitters seem to be mezmorized by their BP.
scoop
Willie mentioned how Billie doesnt like coming in on blowouts. Remember how Willie would bring him in to give him work and he would give up 5 runs cause he didnt care? Glad Willie is doing what is necessary for his closer.
On Big Pelf – I thought his pitches were up the last 2 innings. Not good for a sinkerball pitcher.
Well, you think Willie will have another fit because his starter didn’t go long enough? Thank you Phillies for the excellent play. We really needed that!
Annie Do Met games get blacked out on ESPN in your area? Howie is OK… He was at Dream Week with me many many years ago. They set him up with the worst team on purpose and he broadcast at night. I think it was still WNBC but I’m not sure, maybe they had become the FAN by then.
Lost in all the Mets misery is a Yankees team that is doing even worse. Do the writers in NYC not realize that’s a bigger story? I would be more worried if I were a Yanks fan than I am as a Mets fan.
Braves losing in Denver 9-5 to the Rockies.
Ah. Who cares about the Yanks? I only pay attention so I can hear my boss say my team is better than his.
About the Yankees: Was on a radio show and was asked who would go farther, Mets or Yankees. I had Mets going at least to the NLCS and Yankees not making the playoffs.-JD
Nice about the Binghamton game. I liked Carp. Didn’t he have an injury that derailed him last year?
Man, if he clicks this year and looks like a legit option for next year, it would really take a load off. Assuming they don’t sign a good FA (meaning Teix), you don’t want to gut the farm more trading for a mediocre option.
Maybe a RH 1B/OF type to go along with him so they can platoon? But, no need to get ahead of 2008. Although Neise could be a big addition later in the year.
For the big club, I like the line up much better. Willie should have the stones to put Luis in the 8 hole, at least until he proves he can still hit. Pagan can frankly do everything he does, runs faster, and actually can drive the ball.
No way for me to prove it, but I would bet that they would score more runs with Pagan 2 and Luis 8, than with Luis in the 2 hole.
Nice start for Pelfrey who some claim was rushed, ruined by the Mets, and should not be pitching in the majors now. Sure didn’t look that way tonight. I think he’ll be fine, pitching to at least the approximate level he reached last September. Which was acceptable for a #5. I think Schneider will be good for him too.
Roger: Thanks for the Binghamton recap. It’s nice to know Carp seems to be back on track. The Mets may need to patch together a first base solution in ‘09 after Delgado is gone and he could be part of the solution. Good news about Niese too.
How is Rollins the whole team? Causation does not lead to correlation. Kendrick was all over the place….the Mets knew that, so they were making him pitch strikes which were not happening. I agree with Metsblog Matt on Utley being a bush league player.. Even though he seems like a nice guy, if that is how he gets on base or even considers that a way to get one base, it is embarrassing for the Phils.
If a Met was crowding the plate hoping to get hit, not moving out of the way of inside pitches or eliminating the strike zone I would be pissed. That is no way to play the game.
Rollins got what he deserved with his injury… That’s what you get when you play around like an antagonistic fool.
Botton Line: Mets beat the Phils with a Fifth Starter named Mike Pelfrey who was criticized as not having what it takes to play with the big boys. Tonight He leade the team that beat them.
Sloppy –
Yes, most every Mets game gets blacked out except the ones on CW11 and some on FOX (SNY is not carried on COX cable). However, I’m used to the radio, having had the transistor under my pillow tuned to the ballgames since I was eleven, recovering from eye surgery.
WFAN 660AM will be on 21 years this July – Suzyn Waldman was the first voice heard on the station and I remember it as though it were yesterday.
Eldest child of sports crazy father, I started playing golf at age 5. He was a volunteer for the Yale athletic dept. and Mom always sent me with him to the Bowl, the baseball field, the rink (Yale Whale) and the Payne Whitney basketball courts. Later in life, I went to work for Yale and one of my benefits was membership at the Yale Golf Course. Was at Yankee Stadium the day before my first son was born.
All time baseball hero: Sandy Koufax.
Has Joan from CT been here yet this season?
Hi Jess – Nice of you to ask about me, yes, I’m around.
How are things with you – Donovan? School?