Pelfrey, Clark make team
“We keep playing,” were Mike Pelfrey’s first words after coming out of manager Willie Randolph’s office.
Pelfrey beat Orlando Hernandez out for the fifth spot in the roation.
“I always thought if he were healthy it would be his job,” Pelfrey said of Hernandez.
Meanwhile, outfielder Brady Clark is in; infielder Fernando Tatis is out.
Clark said he didn’t put any extra pressure on himself when Moises Alou went down thinking this was his big chamce. He also said he didn’t read anything into Tatis getting a lot of attention.
“I can’t worry about things that are beyond my control,” Clark said.
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Oh well, Minaya got Santana to improve the team and now he adds Pelfrey to negate the big trade…. 30 starts, 30 games the pen will be asked to come in starting the 3rd-4th inning…. No big deal….. Saying Pelfrey beat out Hernandez isn’t quite correct. Pelfrey was given the job but he didn’t beat anyone out… he was handed something he shouldn’t have today. Bombs away !!!!!!!
Holy smokes, I didn’t see that one coming, pelfrey winning the 5th starter spot. I can see pelfrey lasting through April and than the mets will call up El Duke.
ElDuque DFA’d? DL??? If he’s on DL, then Pelfrey didn’t beat him out. If he’s on DL Pelfrey will get a start or two, look over his shoulder and continue his downward spiral. Having Pelfrey as a 2 week replacement is a very bad mistake. If ElDuque DFA’d then if you’re gonna stick by Pelfrey no matter what, ok, but if he’s gonna get the commuter pass to New Orleans again then he’ll be dumped next year as another guy who mysteriously lost his value as he was jerked around one time too many.
I have to assume that Duque is going to start on the DL. So, it is entirely pssible that Pelfrey did not beat him out. I personally don’t see Pelfrey as ready.
If that is the case, what happens when Duque is ready (or as ready as he will ever be)? Do they demote Pelfrey? Cut Duque? Send Duque to the pen?
Frankly, they are so short on SP depth, that if Duque is healthy, they have to try and get some games out of him.
Actually, I guess there is the option that someone is desperate enough to trade for him. Can’t really see it, but who knows?
Putting on the rose colored glasses, but if this works out (meaning Pelfrey gets the confidence boost he needs, and being around Pedro and the Jacket gets him going), and Pelfrey blossoms into a legit starter, it will really help cover the holes next year. If Pelf spent the year at AAA, you still wouldn’t know what you have.
Pelfrey will not be up with the team that long, unless he does VERY well. They’ll DL El Duque, he’ll go through an extended spring training. Remember, he only has had 2 spring training starts, he needs some time. Assuming he gets better, this isn’t that bd of a move. To the guy that says this negates the Santana deal, what are you smoking? What exactly does that mean? We had Pelfrey last year, we had guys WORSE then Pelfrey last year, and El Duque was our best pitchers at times last year. You ADD SAntana to this team, and how does having Pelfrey up negate that? STOP SMOKING CRACK METS FANS!!!
Metsfan: “We had Pelfrey last year, we had guys WORSE then Pelfrey last year, ”
You write about last as if we were the NL East chanps: Sorry to burst your rose colored glasses but thanks to people like Pelfrey, we lost last year. Did you foget? Get it now??? And guess what, Pelfrey is worse than he was last year, less confidence no mid 90s fastball anymore…. We gave the job to the new Lawrence…..
what? you’re the one saying having Pelfrey negates Santana, that is ridiculous. Pelfrey started the season 0-7, just by the luck of the draw, he won’t start the year that bad again. Either way, he probably won’t even get that many starts, because el Duque will be back. So how does adding Santana to the mix we already had last year not make us better. And how did i write like we were the NL East champs? I never mentioned that, never alluded to that, what is wrong with you?. I simply was making the case that Santana helps us, A LOT. Imagine this team without him. What can’t you understand? I’m not saying Pelfrey is good, but if he starts 0-7 again, i’ll eat my words, but even if he does?!? that’s STILL no worse then last year, it’d be impossible to be worse. So….you add Santana to that, and somehow we’re not better? How does Pelfrey have less confidence? How would you even know that? just “because”, no mid 90’s fastball? he still has it. How can he be worse then last year when he STARTED 0-7. HOW ON GOD’S GREEN EARTH DOES SANTANA NOT HELP THIS TEAM?
i actually just reread your original post where you stated Pelfrey will get 30 starts, which obviously means you know absolutely nothing about the Mets and/or major league baseball. Sorry for wasting my own time arguing with you.
Willie and Omar made the commendable and correct decisions here. It’s as I thought it would be—Pelfrey and Clark instead of El Duque and Tatis. The only one I didn’t predict was Smith. I thought Figueroa would get the final bullpen spot, but Smith came on strong at the end and deserved it as much as Figueroa did.
I think what concerned them most was the fact that ED’s fastball was sitting at 80-81 mph. While that may have been good enough for the Oriole scrubs, it’s not going to cut it against Chipper and Francoeur. So for the time being, giving Pelfrey the fifth spot was the right decision. Maybe with the competition temporarily over as well as the uncertainty, he’ll straighten his head a little bit. If not, his stay up will be short.
Big mistake giving the spot to Pelfrey.
Chalk up five losses straight from the get-go.
I’d take a half-healthy El Duque over a healthy Pelfrey any day. I’d gamble on Bobby Parnell.
Much better yet, I’d have started Jorge Sosa.
And the worst part?
I’m going to have to sit and suffer through a Pelfrey outing live in Atlanta next Saturday afternoon, just as I sat and suffered through two Pelfrey outings at Shea last year.
I really hope I’m wrong. I don’t want any Met not to succeed, but I have ZERO confidence in Pelfrey.
As for Brady Clark?
Well, he’s the pride of the University of San Diego, where I used to teach. Aside from that? How do you give him a spot over Ruben Gotay? I’d have much rather had Tatis coming off the bench than Clark. At least Tatis could backup Delgado at first, or sub for him when a tough lefty was starting.
Yo Gil. The Mets dropped Gotay on wavers. He will be in your neck of the woods for a long time now being on the Braves. As for Pelf who cares? Everyone knows hes not going to be here for a long time. Not an issue.
“Willie and Omar made the commendable and correct decisions here. It’s as I thought it would be”
Hey, this is baseball, not the public library. If youre going to talk baseball, talk baseball …...
They made commendable decisions…. You are full of crap.. Keeping Pelfrey was an act of saying I drafted him, so you fans are stuck with him no matter how little he earned the job…
To Gil: You’d rather have Tatis instead of anybody?? 1999 is gone bro. He ain’t taking the roids , he ain’t gonna produce.
Metsfan: You are obviously nothing more than a Minaya apologist. When someone is so brain dead to buy off on anything and everything that person is wasting the good Earth’s air. Come back when you have something to say other than what Minaya has already lied to us about. Delcos’ job is to have to recite Minaya’s verbage. We don’t need you to be an echo….
On Gotay: the Mets felt that they needed a right handed bat, and they also felt that they had sufficient backup in case Castillo went down or failed to perform — not just because of Anderson Hernandez, but because of the acquisitions of both Argenis Reyes (who looked VERY good whenever I saw him, fwiw, in ST) and Anderson Machado, who supposedly they really like defensively (he of the great ninth inning play yesterday). Remembering we have those two as well as AHern makes me feel a lot more comfortable about our depth at second.
Domesquad: Make no misatke. Though I just moved to the Dirty South, I’m a NY transplant behind enemy lines here as a Mets fan. Atlanta’s not exactly our neck of the woods here, either. We’re a four-hour drive southeast of the ATL. Jacksonville’s the closest major city to us.
Willie and Omar made the commendable and correct decisions here. Absolutely.
Pelfrey was chosen because 1) ED still has issues with his foot and new delivery 2) 80 mph isn’t going to cut it 3) Pelfrey is the best option for the #5 right now 4) All other options have their downsides. 5) So lets go with the guy with the upside and who’s most important to the team’s future.
Do people really think young players like Gotay, Milledge, Pelfrey, and Smith won’t continue to improve?
Citing past performance for these kids, while certainly significant, doesn’t mean it’s written in stone that Pelfrey or whoever won’t realize their potential.
Yes, JK go with the guy whose confidence is in the toilet so you can screw up his mind with two possibilities: 1, He pitches good and you send him down when El Duque is readsy
2. He pitches lousy and gets sent down…. Either way your oh i mean the Minaya strategy is to help totally ruin this kid. Glad you are in favor of that. You know there’s one reason the Nats and now the Mets have no minor league system to speak of. Its called Minaya.
Why do guys post when al;l theyare capable of doing is repeating the company line. Its not Groundhog day. Bill Murray did that/done that.
The idea that Pelfrey will be “totally ruined” if he pitches well and is then sent down to make room for a healthy El Duque is absurd and unsupportable.
If anything, his confidence would be boosted by it.
so sloppy, now you’re going to agree with hollywoodjosh that having Pelfrey on the team negates the Santana acquisition? Really? because that is one pathetic point of view. I don’t know where you people get off thinking i’m an apologist because of what i just said. I made that point that having Santana helps. are you really going to refute that? ????????
and sloppy, why do you hate Omar so much? just because he’s the GM? Do you hate every GM or do you want STeve Phillips back? How about Jim Duquette, i bet he’s your favorite. Also, your expectation that Omar is going to tell the fans everything, just tell them the truth about everything, run the organization like an open book, is just stupid. Sorry, its stupid. If you expect that, you not only know nothing about baseball, you know nothing about business.
Sloppy yes please answer metsfan’s question once and for all.
As for me I may just take you up on your suggestion a call myself Scott Minaya from Pelham.
sloppy almost never has anything positive to say about the Mets unless they make a decision to keep younger players that he believes are ready to play in MLs.
That is just the way it is. Don’t expect him to be happy. He is sloppy.
We all get frustrated w/the state of the team from time to time. However I could not be in a continuos state of glass is half empty (or maybe completely empty) all the time.
I am very surprised at this.
I just do not think Pelf is ready at this time to pitch at Shea. But since he is here, I hope they keep him up. There is no reason to send him down in 2 weeks or whatever when Hernandez gets back.
If you want to develop him by throwing him in the water then throw him in and let him learn to swim. Otherwise send him to AAA and find some other way to hold the fort until Duque is back.
yeah Pelfrey really negates Santana.. my god the idiocy on here
Thats right scoop I never like a move unless they keep young players. Your increasing level of illiteracy is staggering. That’s why I was against putting Pelfrey in the rotation scoopcoop because he’s so much older thasn Sosa and El Duque, right scoop. And that’s why I wrote approvingly today of keeping Clark because he’s so freaking young, right scoop?
Metsfan: You are not worth reponding to becuase you have a thought process that thinks that if you think Omar and his team of warriors is not perfect you are a lesser person than you are. However, once again your premise is wrong and insulting. You ask why I “hate” Minaya so much. I don’t actually hate him at all, I actually find him quite entertaining and interesting to listen to when he’s on a game. However, i think he is a poor excuse for a GM. he did a lousy job with Montral. Unlike successful small market GMS who have a plan of getting rid of high priced guys to keep a flow of talent rolling to stay competitive, he kept getting rid of the talent and got little if any talented kids in return as is evident by the fact that he left the expos/Nationals with a minor league system bereft of talent. When he came to the Mets it seemed he was this superstar recruiting stars, but the fact was he he got guys who were rejected by the Red Sox and Yankees for the most part. The notable exception was Wagner. He claimed when he came here that the team was going to gewt younger, but just like he did with Montreal he has created a farm bereft of talent. We have a team that is excellent on paper if we have ZERO injuries. And we don’t have zero injuries and we won’t, It doesn’t happen. Excpet for Reyes and Wright he has built a team that has no fire, no passion, and while it doesn’t matter in a runaway, it sure mattered ina close race. he cost the team the pennant last year by doing nothing to help the pen. He made no moves the entire year on a bullpen that started with 5 decent guys and became a 4 man pen when Smith became an A ball pitcher.
You can knock duquette and poke fun at him, but at least when he smelled first place he tried to make the team better. His results were obviously very flawed but at least he tried. As for Steve Phillips, when Minaya gets his team to thew World Series then maybe you can compare the tweo, but until then Phillips was one of the very few GMS to get this team to the World Series. He brought in Piazza and didn’t do it contingent on singing a deal ahead of time. He brought in Leither, he brought in Hampton over the protests of most Met fans who thought Cedeno was the next Lou Brock. Even many of his bad moves like Alomnar were universally praised when made. So come back to me Omar lackey when he (Omar from Pelham or whatever he’s changing his name to) has the Mets in the World Series.
Hey sloppy: How do you really feel about Omar? Don’t be so timid next time you analyze him!!!!!!!!!!!
I’ll agree with you about Phillips however. He had a real bad finish but he brought us out of the Dallas Green disaster and brought in stars to get us to the WS. He made the big move for Piazza. And he didn’t trade away Wright or Reyes or Kazmir. I remember people screaming he should get Soriano for Reyes. Even Stevie had his limits…...
“You can knock duquette and poke fun at him, but at least when he smelled first place he tried to make the team better.”
Gotta disagree here slop. As a GM you need to know when you have a real shot, and when you don’t. The Mets did not have a shot at going far even if they made the playoffs. We would have all been better off if they had stood pat.
sloppy, I could say your increasing negativity is staggering but it is impossible to increase to a level that is more than what you are already at.
I don’t think you should watch this sad excuse of a team. You might become suicidal by the 3rd game.
And I find it interesting that a guy who is so in to the young player would even defend Duquette at all. He was Jeff Wilpon’s lacky who traded away one of the best prospects the Mets have had in the past 10yrs.
Lets trade for Fred Lewis so he can be the LH part of a Lewis & Clark platoon in LF. This way, at least I would get some amusement out of the position, even if we don’t get production.
Re Duquette: I agree about disagreeing with my Duquette comments Keith. I only said it because that Metsfan is a mindless follower and I will never forgive Minaya for not doing anything about the pen during the season last year. But he thinks we won it all last year so I don’t even know why I wrote that speech.
Scoopcoop: The sad thing about fans like you is that you think that they’re my team so they are all great blah blah blah and the result is every other day the world hears 30,000 people in Shea stadium booing because these guys ain’t perfect. so its really lousy fair weather fans who shouldn’t watch because your expectations cannot possibly be met. When the mets win I get a lot more pleasure than you possibly could get, because you believe they have to win, and I believe they can win. And when they lose you must be shattered beyond belief that the perfect boys could let you down. And scoop some day when you learn comprehend what you are reading you will come to realize that I do not judge moves based on age, but rather on what it does to make a team a little bit better or a lit bit worse…. But you are too blinded by your pied piper to comprehend jusdgement like that. I tried to explain that to you in antoher post but hey, I guess Omar told you otherwise or something.
I’m glad Clark made it over Tatis. I disagree with Pelfrey being named the #5 starter. The kid has no confidence whatsoever, was rushed to the bigs. He needs a full season in AAA and more importantly, a season in which he dominates AAA. Figueroa should have made this team as the temporary #5 until El Duque was ready. It’s really a shame how they handle this kid.
Steve (the original) You’re gonna upset the guys for saying Minaya did something wrong! Seriously, I agree with you on both counts, except I’d have had Sosa make a couple starts. Sosa/Figeroa same concept. Of course Scoop thinks I’m lying because he says I only want young guys to make the team.
Well sloppy, to be fair, Sosa is pretty young, relative to the rest of the team. So you still would be favoring a youngster, heh.
Sloppy: I agree with most of Omar’s moves. I disagree with some. He isn’t teflon for goodness sakes! Omar has made moves which can be criticized.
Sloppy praise Phillips all you want, but the bottom line is Bobby V was a great manager. Phillips also ran Bobby V out of town for Art to save his own job.
If Willie were half as good, the Mets would have made the post season last year and may have already been in a World Series.
Blame Omar all you want but many were at fault for the Mets collapse. Somehow you continue not to see this. A good manager would have found a way to win a few more games.