“Hopefully, we’ll be in the position where the ball won’t find them too often.’’ – Manager Willie Randolph on the prospects of playing Damion Easley and Marlon Anderson in the outfield.
That’s as good a strategy as any given all the guys who can’t play the field that Oma keeps giving him. I guess when they are done changing El Duques delivery they’ll make Maine and OP ground ball pitchers. No sweat Minaya.
im assuming that willie was kind of joking. But even if,i was a player id be nonplussed about that quote.
I remember catching both a few times last year and non of the subs willie trotted out were any good. i would think pagan and clark as well as endy are way better than those converted infielders
I have been saying this about the Mets bench for a while. Some good bats, but outside of Gotay and Endy, no one (meaning Anderson or Easley) that should really be in the field on other than an emergency basis. Certainly not for an extended time as a starter.
One thing that means is a quicker trigger on calling up replacements (and putting a guy on the DL). Or, a truly radical move, go with 11 pitchers to carry an extra position player.
I’d be reluctant to trust Gotay anywhere on the diamond in a tight spot. He’s simply not a very good defensive player, and does not turn a good double play, probably his weakest point.
You can’t know a young player’s ability to grow defensively until he gets consistent playing time to build muscle memory at major-league game speed.
Sure, Gotay or anyone will be defensively shakey when they’re pulled for overpaid guys with no knees every other game.
I truly believe that if he was made the starter, he’d round into an acceptable defensive player… I’m not saying he’ll ever win a Gold Glove but he seems to have the tools and skills to be average defensively.
If his “big problem” is transferring to turn the DP at game speed and then you… don’t let him have consistent shots at turning DPs at game speed… it’s a damn self-fulfilling prophecy.
It’s an organization and a fanbase that wants an instant star at every position and… if they can’t have that, they want A Proven Name who’s five years past his peak.
It took YEARS of having the starting positions for Wright and Reyes to become Wright and Reyes… Milledge should’ve had those years and Gotay should have them too.
We agree on Gotay. As David Wright has shown, defense is a skill one can acquire through hard work. Gotay is a good athlete. If Soriano can become serviceable at 2B, anyone can.
“Itâ€™s an organization and a fanbase that wants an instant star at every position andâ€¦ if they canâ€™t have that, they want A Proven Name whoâ€™s five years past his peak.”
You’re just as guilty as anybody. Ryan Church isn’t a sexy name and doesn’t put up all star stats, so you just assume he’s a 4th OF, or you take Mike and the Dog’s word for it. Look up his stats on baseball-reference. He’s not a bad player to have on the team.
I’ve looked at Church’s stats…
And yeah, if he’s the against-righties part of a platoon, he’ll give you right around .270 with no speed, minimal power for a corner outfielder, decent ability to draw a walk and somewhat above-average defense in left field.
Nothing to write home about but if you’ve got nothing else to plug into the seven-hole of your line-up, probably okay.
Except that he’s now expected to play full-time in the outfield position he has the least experience in.
Milledge’s stats for 2007, barely 23, fighting off a freak injury and with only sporadic starts? Less than 200 ABS?
AVG .272, HR 7, SB 3… OBP .341, SLG .446
Church’s stats at the age of 28, doubtlessly at the ceiling of his performance, almost 500 ABs?
AVG. .271, HR 15, SB 3… OBP .349, SLG .462
Even with the benefit of four years of major league experience, a season of good health and the starting position for the entire season?
A dead heat.
One’s only gonna get better, one is gonna stay at that plateau at best.
I didn’t want the star, either way…
I wanted the kid with upside as opposed to the guy who’d proven himself barely a starter on the Washington Expos… when the kid put up almost the exact same numbers fighting off injuries and the ghost of Shawn Green’s career while the scrub put up his “career year”...
With basically the same numbers.
“Except that heâ€™s now expected to play full-time in the outfield position he has the least experience in.”
This is a bogus argument and you know it. You’re grasping at straws here. Milledge was playing out of position as well. Going from LF to RF and vice versa is not that hard.
“heâ€™ll give you right around .270 with no speed, minimal power for a corner outfielder, decent ability to draw a walk and somewhat above-average defense in left field.”
.270 is fine by me… Beltran hits around .280. From what I’ve read, he has speed, but the Nats don’t run as much as we do. The power, we’ll see. His HR total is not impressive, but he did have 43 RBIs, and he played in a HUGE stadium. Drawing walks is nice. From what I’ve read he is solid defensively with a strong arm. Sounds like a solid everyday player to me.
“Churchâ€™s stats at the age of 28, doubtlessly at the ceiling of his performance, almost 500 ABs?”
Not doubtlessly. Same age as Paul O’Neill was when he was traded to the Yanks for Roberto Kelly (who happened to be a hot shot 5 tool player himself.)
“Milledgeâ€™s stats for 2007, barely 23, fighting off a freak injury and with only sporadic starts? Less than 200 ABS?”
I love how everyone knows how to click on the “2007 splits” button to pull up Church’s stats against lefties (who he will rarely see innings 1-6), but they couldn’t do the same for Milledge. You know he hit .250 something against RHers right? You know that the majority of big league pitchers are RH, right?
If I wanted to be a real Saberjerk I would point out Milledge’s smaller sample size and that Church accomplished what he did over a larger sample… meaning he is more likely to replicate his performance while we need to see more of Milledge before we make a judgment on him. But I’m not going to bring sample size into it.
“when the kid put up almost the exact same numbers fighting off injuries and the ghost of Shawn Greenâ€™s career while the scrub put up his â€œcareer yearâ€...”
You can’t put rate stats up and say “WHOA HO HOO!!! MILLEDGE MATCHED HIM!”
Those are RATE stats… meaning they’re averages. It’s actually not that impressive that Milledge could match him over 200 abs. Angel Pagan could have a good 200 abs.
You also put Milledge’s 7 HR up against Church’s 15, while conveniently leaving out doubles. Milledge had 9 doubles. Church had 43. Yeah… he almost matched him all right. Church also scored 57 runs to Milledge’s 27. Yup, neck and neck.
Another fact that isn’t mentioned is last year was Church’s first time getting a full time look, similar to how Nady finally got his break in ‘06 with us. Who’s to say Church doesn’t take a step forward in his second full season? I think it’s totally possible. And at least we have some kind of a sample to go off of.
Well, of course there’s a statistical chance that a professional athlete isn’t plateauing at the age of thirty and has room for improvement.
Over the long history of professional team athletics, that has proven to be a very very small percentage however.
Yes, one time out of a million, Kirk Gibson comes up pinch-hitting with no legs and cranks a home run.
The other 999,999 times, Cliff Floyd comes up pinch-hitting with no legs and gimps his team straight out of the NLCS.
There is an infintesimal chance that an atom of lead could, indeed, absorb the proper energy and protons to transmute into an atom of gold in front of your eyes, man… I believe the term is a “thermodynamic miracle”.
But I’m not laying my plans down on selling my pencil lead for five-hundred-dollars an ounce. Odds are best that it will remain an utterly disposable ten-cent pencil.
The crushing tide of sports history says that Milledge improves for years, barring major injury, and Church plateaus at best.
Funny Keith how you don’t even realize you defend Church’s lack of getting a chance (which is total bull)as a defense and Milledge’s lack of getting a chance as an attack on his ability Your’e losing it bud. Over and over you tell us how Church didn’t get his chance, but Milledge did. You, my man should get out of here and work for a presidential candidate. Your spin is so far off mark now, its time to drop the argument.
It’s a fact that last year was the first time Church got extended playing time. And other than that one time a few weeks back when I said Milledge got an extended look (which I conceded wasn’t accurate), I haven’t brought it up. My point about Green was that he was brought in because Milledge was struggling when he was put in for Nady.
“Over and over you tell us how Church didnâ€™t get his chance, but Milledge did. ”
I don’t believe this is how I represented it, but if that’s how it came across, then it was unintentional. Church has definitely gotten more of a chance than Milledge. However, last year was Church’s first full season in the bigs.
Look, I’m more than willing to drop the argument. It just bothers me to see people calling this guy a scrub or a 4th OF just because we traded Milledge for him.
Drop the Church Milledge argument???? Its carried us thru the Winter! But we have to drop the argument guys cause its giving the DC people too many laughs. I think they don’t even have a blog site to fight on, so they come here.
See you at the Navy Yard DC dope. I got the Nat special… buy 2 tickets and get your first bullet proof vest for free.
The Church Milledge argument will be here for the whole year at least. Certainly every time we face the Nats.
At the end of the day we won’t know till they hit the field. By the way LM may not play every day. I looked at the Nats preseason stats and I see a platoon of some sort with all the young guys they have.
At least we are not arguing about Estrada/LoDuca vs Schneider.
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