Mets Chat Room: Lastings going down memory lane.
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Over in the Washington camp, Lastings Milledge seems to have a case of selective memory.
“If I had to do it all over again, I’d do it the same way that I did it,’’ Milledge said about how he wouldn’t change anything about his stay in New York. “I have no regrets for the way I played the game or anything.’’
Huh?
Milledge had all sorts of problems with the Mets in 2006. Not hustling, showing up late, high-fiving the fans after hitting a homer. He was a completely different personality last year. He said he cut his hair as to not draw attention to himself. He was far more personable last season.
The fact is, Milledge did change. Last spring he said it “was time for me to man up.’‘
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I guess you are bored today. still about 5 weeks left. good luck John.
So Delcos, are you saying that learning from ones mistakes is a bad thing???
It is comments like those that lead me to believe he will either be a forgetable player or a talented one who brings many off field issues.
He is young and makes mistakes of judgment. His problem is hubris. He knows it all.
Maybe he will grow up there but I doubt it.
its the fact that Milledge basically admitted last year that he was in the wrong a lot in ‘06 with his actions and he needed to grow up, now that he’s left, he’s basically saying he wasn’t ever wrong, he was just being himself and he didn’t fit in on the Mets. To me it just seems like, to Lastings, it’s all about him. Me Me Me. Either he’ll flame out or be a talented player who is fatally flawed.
Delcos,
Classy… We know you don’t like Lastings. Enough already. A journalist like yourself should have double-checked the quote. He said he was going to “get his grown man on.”
Bad job, Delcos.
I guess maybe he means he’s glad he did all that stuff two years ago so he can grow up and know how to better behave himself when he’s at the major leagues for good.
If someone does something wrong and in the end turns out to be a better person, why should he have any regrets? He’s a better person.
Man, Milledge getting dogged even when he’s not in New York anymore.
Delcos, man, I love a lot of what you do here… thank you for the blog?
But these kinds of stodgy old-thinking press views on guys like Milledge were what allowed the front office to unload a five-tool can’t-miss like Milledge for… Platoon Outfielder and Back-Up Catcher.
I don’t care if a dude’s enthusiastic, I don’t care if a dude’s even a little arrogant… Milledge is gonna be a star and we got boots and a sandwich for him because of attitudes just like this.
Viva la Forty-Four, man, he deserved better out of New York and… certainly… out of the New York press.
He made a rap album! Gasp!
He was enthusiastic! Gasp!
What is this, 1953?
I’ll boo a lot of opposing players in the NL East this year.
Lastings ain’t one of them. Dude deserved better than this.
Glad to have him and his passion in DC. Church sucks
(cannot hit lefties) and you have a back-up catcher who cannot hit but is a nice, quiet guy.
Talk about arrogant. BILLY WAGNER…. arrogant, me me me, and he screws up when it counts the most. But its OK ‘cause he wers the Mets jersey. We don’t want passion, oh,, except when we want passion.
That was a bad blog post. The guy didn’t say anything, doesn’t play here and you have to post it? Why? The new Mets are too boring and too mediocre to write about Delcos?
Milledge? Who cares. He is gone.
Milledge? Good Riddence
Let’s relax a bit on the Milledge is a can’t miss superstar. Until he proves he can hit RH pitching consistently, Milledge is going to be the next Juan Encarnacion… if that.
Milledge’s Career Splits (AB/AVG/OBP/SLG/OPS)
v. RH 236/.246/.300/.403/.703
v. LH 114/.281/.379/.439/.818
Milledge’s 2007 Splits
v. RH 124/.250/.309/.395/.704
v. LH 60/.317/.406/.550/.956
David Wright in 2004
v. RH 208/.288/.338/.553/.891
v. LH 55/.309/.309/.418/.727
As you can see, Milledge doesn’t hit RH pitching very well. In 2004, David Wright, who was a year younger (21 v. 22), also put up these numbers over a larger sample size, and had zero big league experience prior to being called up, showed a whole lot of potential. Milledge showed us some nice things, but not enough to be called a “can’t miss,” IMO.
5 tools are all fine and dandy, but they’re worthless unless he shows he can lay off the curve and go to RF every now and again.
And I hate having to make these arguments because I like Lastings and I do think he’s going to be a good everyday player, just not a stud. I see him as a Trot Nixon/Geoff Jenkins level player. Of course it could all click for him and he turns into Gary Sheffield, but there are a millions kids who come down the pike you could say that about.
My main gripe with those who lambast the Milledge trade is the general consensus on what we got in return. We did not just get “boots and a sandwich” as the oh, so witty Mike C. stated above. We got a starting RF and a starting C for Milledge. Receiving two everyday players in return is nothing to sneeze at.
And if you still must maintain that we got “boots and a sandwich” in return for Lastings, that’s fine too. However, Delmon Young netted Matt Garza this offseason. It was CARLOS GOMEZ whom the Twins wanted for Johan, NOT LASTINGS. If Milledge is really this 5-tool, can’t miss stud that everyone on Mets forums across the internets claim he is, then how come all Minaya was able to acquire for him were “boots and a sandwich?” Maybe you need to check out those splits again. Perhaps you will not longer be mystified or puzzled by this deal. Face it, Milledge’s value plummeted and Minaya cut his losses with the kid because he and his staff didn’t think Milledge could hack it in the bigs.
Keith,
I totally agree. I’m not sure why met fans are going nuts over milledge. What I saw from milledge was that he was an average fielder at best and at the plate the only thing he could hit was a fastball. Milledge could not hit off speed pitchers. I always liked what I saw from Gomez and stated it on this blog several times last year. I would be shocked if milledge ever amounted to a good player. I think he will be an average player playing for a below average franchise. Because of this I think milledge will have a greater chance of forming bad habits on and off the field.
Since you can’t help yourself Keith, praising Church and Schneider for being starters on the worst offense in the league is a very very weak compliment. Being a starter, means nothing in itself. Splits for a guy who was jerked up and down and in out of the lineup mean nothing. Wright was broguht up put in the line up and left alone. Comparison unfair.
Do I think Milledge will be Wright. NO. Do I think Milledge can be better than church, yes, did I write this stupid post for no reason, NO Delcos did. WHY? Obvious there must be some joy in pounding on this guy.
TOMG, Since If you think Gomez was ahead of Milledge at the plate then there is no reason to discuss baseball with you because everyone knows Gomez was far behind Milledge in being ready at the plate.
sloppy ,
no I didn’t think gomez was ahead of milledge at the plate but IMO I thought Gomez had more potential in the long run.
Obviously Sloppy you are high on Milledge by your post, I’m not, only time will tell.
Keith,
You can study all the stats you want over 350 at bats. Especially 350 at bats that were spread out over two seasons. 350 at bats that were batting last in the lineup one day. Then reappearing in the lineup three days later. Willie and Omar drove his value into the ground. Milledge has put a hurting on lefties his entire life, and he is going to do damage this season. You are going to be wishing we had him around when Delgado is hitting .250 and Church and Schneider aren’t hitting lefties, either. That’s our 5, 7 , and 8 in our lineup. No flexibility. What is Alou goes down? Endy is going to play? That would give us 1 right handed hitter in the lineup. One. 3 switch hitters, 4 lefties, and Wright.
The difference between Milledge and Wagner is, well, HUGE. Wagner is on his way to the HOF, is still a good pitcher who gets the job done, one of the best closers in the league. Milledge? What has he done? Why should he be arrogant? Cause he got drafted? Got touted as a prospect? He’s done NOTHING, and he acted like he was the world. Wagner can act however he wants because he earned it. Milledge hasn’t earned sh*t. And he’s no can’t miss thing, he’s shown nothing on the major league level, absolutely nothing, well, besides a penchant for being an easy out if you throw soft stuff away. The poster on here who’s name is Mike C. is a joke, doesn’t know anythign about baseball. Back up catcher? Let me guess, every catcher should hit like PIazza or else they’re a back up? Or would you prefer weak dribblers and double plays from Lo Duca and his noodle arm? That’s what I thought.
metsfan: Yes Wagner sure earned it, especially to the teams he helped win playoff spots for, while not playing for them, like he way he choked in Philly, like the way he choked in the playoffs in 2006 and then choked and vanished in the stretch drive last year. Yes, he earned arrogance, arrogance that shows why he is a loser in the clutch, and by the way he ain’t going to the HOF unless hes going visiting with you sometime.
And Milledge if he were still a Met you’d love him and saaying he’s just a kid. Phony attacks on a kid who is on another team.
And by the way Mike C is not a joke he ’s a poster who has a much right to opinions as you do, and at least he doesn’t call people out for their, unlike you. And by the way when you see the pothr teams rolling out lefty after lefty and winning all the close games while choker Wagner whines abut not having a 3 run save, you’ll beg for a righty to be back in the lineup. Plus if you think Wags is in the Hall then you are the one lacking in knowledge.
Pete, Last year was the first year Church really struggled against lefties. If you want to tell me Milledge has been damaging lefties his whole life, well, fine, but Church’s minor league resume is pretty damn impressive in its own right, and he’s done more at the MLB level than Milledge. Also, everyone always forgets about Castro. Schneider is not going to be playing 130+ games like he’s Posada. Castro is going to get a lot of playing time.
Sloppy, I am not praising Church and Schneider for being starters on the Nats, I am praising them for being starters on the Mets, which is what they will be. And no matter how anyone tries to qualify it, Church had a good year last season. Not a great year, or an all star year, etc… just a solid year. You want to talk about being jerked around, look no further than Church. It seemed like the Nats looked for excuses to sit him down. And let’s not forget the ridiculous BS Willie pulled on Wright his first year and a half with the “he’s a young guy and needs to ‘prove’ himself by hitting 7th” while Reyes has been batting leadoff as if it was his divine right. And need I remind you Sloppy that when Milledge got his shot in ‘06 he was stuck in LF for Floyd and they gave him a nice run to prove himself and make the postseason roster. He was the same age as Wright, playing on a much better team than the one Wright did in’04, and he didn’t show a whole lot.
My ultimate point is that the stats are the stats, and while I am all for putting a bit of context to provide a clearer understanding of things, I am not seeing a whole lot of unbiased analysis here. Anytime I post Church’s stats someone qualifies them and calls him a platoon player or a 4th OF or whatever. But I post Milledge’s stats, which do not give one the overwhelming sense that we witnessed the cusp of greatness in his time in NY, and everyone leaps to defend him and qualifies his stats by saying “well, he batted 8th and the Mets jerked him around.” And why does everyone focus on the fact that Milledge “damages” lefties, while focusing on how Church struggles against them? MOST PITCHERS ARE RIGHT HANDED FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!
I am just dumbfounded how Pete can make a statement like “You are going to be wishing we had him around when Delgado is hitting .250 and Church and Schneider aren’t hitting lefties, either.” Seriously, please tell me what Milledge has done to make you confident enough to say that I or anyone will “wish” we had him later on this season?
And one more thing. Yes, Milledge does have 5 tools, but are any of those 5 tools extraordinary? Looking at his entire professional career: yeah he’s hit for average, but he’s no Tony Gwynn, heck, he’s hardley Beltran; he has some pop, but it’s pretty well documented that scouts think he has a ‘shot’ at 30 homers if his power develops as expected; yeah he’s fast, but not Reyes or Gomez fast, and his base running instincts aren’t so hot either; he has a strong arm, but not Vlad or even Gomez strong; and his fielding, while above average, wasn’t exactly gold glove quality either.
My point? Richard Hidaldo was a 5 tool player, so is Jose Guillen, so is Milton Bradley, so was Raul Mondesi. These guys all were/are solid players, but having 5 tools is not dispositve of anything. What lends itself towards superstardom is having a superlative skill, and from what I’ve seen, I wouldn’t call any of Milledge’s 5 tools superlative. This is why Fernando Martinez is so highly coveted. From what I’ve read, Milledge and Gomez are probably more “toolsy,” but FMart is a hitting machine.
While I don’t necessarily agree with MetsFan on all his points, he raises a great point about catchers that has gone unnoticed.
Look around the league, the catching position is WEAK. I mean, the Tigers just gave Pudge a ludicrous extension for a catcher his age and the Yanks gave Posada 4 more years because the position is very weak right now. What were our options this offseason? Yorvit Torrealba? Michael Barrett? Terrible. Even a few seasons ago, if we didn’t trade for LoDuca, we would have been saddled with either Hernandez or Molina’s terrible contract.
At least with Schneider we have a guy who plays good D (yes, I know he’s slipped, but he’s still better defensively than any starting catcher we’ve had in years and is still one of the better defensive catchers around) and bats LH, allowing for a nice catching rotation with Castro, who has shown himself to be a very productive hitter when used a few times a week and is no slouch behind the dish himself.
Call me crazy, but I would much rather have those two handling the catching duties in tandem than handing the job over to Torrealba or someone of similar ilk for 120+ games.
Pete: He said both. And several times. I was there. And, to say I don’t like Milledge is crap. I had issues with him in 2006, but was a big supporter last year. Come back when you know what you’re talking about.-JD
Sloppy, honestly, your Wagner v. Milledge argument is pretty weak. Wagner has proven himself to be an elite closer, and the argument you put forth is quite nitpicky.
IMO, the two shouldn’t be compared. For one, one’s a pitcher and the other is a regular. Secondly, if it must be done, it is insulting to Wagner, who has had quite the distinguished career. Milledge can only hope his career turns out as successful as Billy’s has.
And this has nothing to do with character or arrogance. I don’t care about that crap. All ball players are full of themselves. They have to be in order to succeed. I just think that comparing a young kid who has proven nothing to a veteran who has been to multiple all star games and is 3rd on the active saves list is ridiculous.
I couldn’t be happier Milledge is no longer a Met: he’s a punk who time and time again demonstrated disrespect for the game and utter self love to the tune of lack of focus and me-me-me. I see nothing wrong with Delcos posting Milledge’s comments. Some fans are as in love with Milledge as he is with himself, to the tune of total subjectivity in evaluating his talent and makeup.
Milledge has talent, but I’m unimpressed by what I’ve thus far seen. He’s unimpressive as outfielder – bad routes and late jumps is his mantra, and needing to dive to catch what should have been routine, is totally unimpressive.
Talent means nothing when the makeup is suspect, and I believe Milledge’s problem is that. That’s the difference between Wright, Reyes, vs. Milledge. They have feel for the game while Milledge is more concerned about looking cool on the field and entertaining. I will never be unhappy Milledge was traded even if he becomes the best ever. I can’t stand self-centeredness and arroagance, and the Milledge that I’ve seen is all that and, has done little on tne field to distinguish himself as good player.
As far as Church and Schneider, we got two valuable players who will help in our drive to the World Series. Church is a good all around player with a lot of talent, poised for breakout season. And Schneider is invaluable and gives us something we haven’t had in long time – one of the major’s best defensive catchers. Livan Hernandez raved about him the other day. He and Church are thrilled to be Mets – thrilled to be part of a contender – and each is committed to helping us get to the promised land. Unlike Milledge, these two are professionals and are just what this team needs.
Delcos,
Yes, you were one of the journalists greatly exaggerating Milledge’s problems. Not that you contributed to the trading of Milledge, because this is a second-rate blog. Good for getting the lineups before a spring training game. Good for nothing else. Nobody cares about your opinion on the Mets. You are a nobody.
I would like for you to point out when Milledge said that, because I never heard that, and I cannot find any quote like that.
This is a Mets blog, right? And where does it say in the rulebook you can’t high-five fans? I must have missed that one. Maybe that’s why he didn’t regret it…
He was caught not hustling much less than Reyes did this year. Mostly due to confusion, not lack of effort. For you to say he had “all sorts of problems” and cite not hustling and high-fiving fans is a J-O-K-E. Maybe people that don’t watch the games will be gullible enough to believe you, but you can’t fool an intelligent fan. Write the truth, don’t exaggerate. And grow up.
I’ll be back next week see who is in the lineup.
our new catcher is supposed to be pretty good. there is an article on mets.com talking about him being a catchers catcher who will help our rotation, people like Ollie who loses his focus. there are quotes of the managers in chicago and atl that are pretty high on him. it talks of how we tried to get him after piazza but our current gm wouldnt let him go.
we will see how both the new players fare soon enuf. we will also see how lm does without the interference of willie or omar.
as to jd, perhaps he posted it because this has been a top 3 topic all last year and in the offseason. that is what this blog is for.
Even I have had enough of this Milledge/Church stuff. The Milledge bashers have been unfair, and the Church bashers, including Padilla, have been unfair.
But to try to give some perspective, this is a franchise that has had few youngsters blossom. We finally had 2 in Wright and Reyes and were blasted with the Milledge/Gomez/FMART are coming as well. We were all ticked when our best pitching prospect was traded for a mediocrity. Most of us didn;t complain in the past when kids were traded for stars like Piazza, but this guy was traded for lets be nice and say less than star talent, so it was another possible Zambrano thing to many. That’s why it won’t end. It will end only if Church is a lot better than Zmabrano was.
I really don’t understand why everyone is so utterly irrational about this.
What has Milledge done to warrant such strong support? Seriously, I’m called a Church apologist (which is absurd because I acknowledge his flaws in every post and understand his shortcomings), while the Milledge supporters not only defend Lastings, but they rip Church and Schneider to shreds every chance they get.
I liked the kid and was pulling for him and would have been comfortable with him in RF to start the season, but let’s be totally honest here, he really hasn’t proven anything.
Hey Pete, why don’t you chill out? It seemed like every other day there was a story in the papers about this kid. From the mouth he can up to the team he never shut up. It seemed like every day I would open the paper there was another quote from LMillz.
Whether it was arriving late, making a rap album, high-fiving fans, the sign on the locker incident, not hustling, or what have you, there always seemed to be some kind of issue/incident surrounding this kid.
Did the media exploit and exaggerate? I’m sure they did, it’s what the media does. They did it to LoDuca when he was having an affair with a teenager, and they’re doing it now with the PEDs.
And this goes back to my point about performance. The bottom line is Milledge didn’t get it done. No one says anything about Reyes’ reggaeton videos or all of DWright’s promotional appearances because they’re now 2 time All Stars. Trust me, I was fighting tooth and nail on Metsblog last year about all of the unfair attention Millz gets. But you know what? There comes a time when you have to take a step back and consider that he brought a lot of stuff on himself.
Lastly, non of us, not even the media, have any idea how his relationship with his teammates was. While the media has considerable access, they don’t see EVERYTHING.
Keith,
what are you talking about? You are viewing Milledge as the media portrayed him. However, you will not be able to find one quote from Milledge that caused any trouble. “Never kept his mouth shut.” Couldn’t be further from the truth. Find ONE quote to support your statement… It’s all made up.
I am absolutely not viewing Milledge as the media portrays him, and you’re missing my point.
Like I said in my post, I have largely been a defender of Lastings. Last year I wanted him in RF instead of Green. I also believe he has largely been misrepresented in the media.
HOWEVER, Millz was very chatty. He was always being quoted in the papers. It’s not so much that what he said “caused trouble” it was that he had so much to say in general.
Ultimately, what I’m trying to say, is where there’s smoke, there’s fire. There was always some kind of controversy with this guy from the time he arrived in Flushing. And some of the stuff wasn’t just harmless like the high fiving, wearing flashy jewelry, or recording a rap album.
He was late to the stadium on game day. He was thrown out of a game and suspended at a time when the team was in a tailspin. There was the incident on the second to last game of the season when he was styling and profiling after belting two homers, pissing off the Marlins. Remember, Millz hasn’t even amassed enough ABs to total a whole season and he’s been involved in this much negative stuff. (And whether you disagree as to whether or not all this stuff is “negative” there a quite a few people, a majority even, who do. Not saying its right, just pointing it out.)
And let’s not forget the brain farts on the field: not hitting the cutoff man, poor base running, taking poor routes to fly balls, not hustling.
Could a lot of Millz’ “flaws” be attributed to immaturity? Probably. Was Reyes guilty of a lot of these things when he first came up (and even last season)? Absolutely. Here’s the difference though, the Mets stuck with Reyes because they believed in his ability and they have been proven right (voted to start two AS games before he turned 25.
I wish Lastings well, I really do. I think he got a raw deal here, although he isn’t totally innocent either. Unfortunately, we won’t get to watch him develop in RF at CitiField, however I do believe the trade was the best thing for both teams. Lastings needed a fresh start and we needed a RF & C. It may not have been the ideal solution for many Mets fans, but imo it will turn out to be a good thing for all parties involved.
Keith,
Good post. let me add that in comparing Jose vs LM while both are young it seems Jose took the criticism to heart and has improved his game to the point where he is critical to the teams’ success. With LM, although at times he acts contrite there is always a quote or film of him saying he is who he is and won’t change for anybody. Some here like that attitude. I don’t. If someone is trying to teach you and your cup is full you won’t learn.
You guys are so freakin bad….. The biggest difference is jose was allowed to play and Milledge wasn’t. The rest is all BS. Especially the way a guy with a few years under his belt spent the pennant race pouting, how can you say what you did dave. It delusional and biased, trying to convince yourself that trading him was a good idea.
If there were blogs 40 years ago people like you would justify trading Ryan because he was bad kid who couldn’t concentrate hence he walked too many guys wand won’t amount to antything. You would have blasted Seaver for trying to get too much money and convincing yourself that Pat Zachry was a better pitcher, etc.
Exactly.
Milledge was held back by an organization that preferred to delusionally try and get games out of a crippled Cliff Floyd, an entirely-washed-up Shawn Green and an Alou that could really hit except when there was a pea under his mattress so he couldn’t walk that day…
Instead of letting the young phenom get consistent continuous gameplay because they’re slaves to keeping the Yankees-obsessed press happy, trying to get one more scrap of column-inch out of them…
And the NYC Press wants players who they heard of ten effing years ago instead of brash young future stars.
Blah.
Still waiting on that compelling evidence that makes everyone so cocksure Milledge is a future star.
Also, let’s not forget that Milledge got an extended look in 2006 and didn’t do much with it.
And this doesn’t prove that the Mets handled him well, because they didn’t. But there are two sides to this story, and Millz is somewhat culpable for how this turned out as well.
and i thought teams and managers want to win. i never realized that the reason you make your lineup is to pander to players who have no future on your team and as fodder for writers to get their next story.
thanks guys!
Jeez…
You guys write freakin’ novel’s here. If you can’t get your point across in five sentences or less, let it go…
We here in DC think Milledge will be a great addition to our team. Enjoy the whiffle bats of Church and Schneider. Schneider is a decent (albeit quiet) leader who is good with the pitchers.
Keith I said I’d lay of the church stuff, but, Milledge got a look of less than a month in 2006. not exactly “extended”. Met Church revisionim in action again. Sorry couldn’t resist.
Tim in DC: You don’t like our posts go to the Navy Yard and get mugged. Nice neighborhood for your park. I guess there will be 50,000 cops protecting your 2,000 fans.
Sloppy…you followed the 5 sentence rule, so congrats on that. The Navy Yard is under a huge re-devolopment plan, so no worries about muggings here. The fans will be here as well…for years to come. Maybe you Mets fans should have less cops next year around the stadium and more therapists, just in case you have another monumental collapse next September.
Tim: I guess you have a 5 sentence rule because Nat fans are too stupid to write any more than that. i don’t want your congratulations. I want you to be the first one mugged near the Navy Yard when the drug heads find out you went down there for a so called baseball game instead of for buying some of the stuff the area is so well known for.
By the way Natfan, the fans will be there for a year, just like they were in RFK for a year and then they said this ain’t the Redskins, so screw it. Enjoy tour one year of attendance. You’ll be on the move for the third time in a decade. Now go find a nat bug, oh wait talk about insects is too complex for your miniature cocaine laden brain. Enjoy the hood bro.
PS: how about our Giants!!!!!!!!!! Byebye bug fan.
Ah, nothing to unite Mets fans like a knucklehead Nats fan.
Sloppy, perhaps extended was the wrong choice because of the connotation it implies. However, Milledge did get a pretty decent look in ‘06. I distinctly remember them hoping he would play himself onto the postseason roster.
Typical New Yorkers. Can’t find anything positive about your situation (team), so you resort to trashing someone elses team (or make personal attacks). You obviously no little about the situation here (3o year lease, the team isn’t going anywhere). It’s five sentences because Shallow brooks are noisy (maybe you can all band togther and figure out what I mean by that). Get some knowledge about our city before you start talking trash.
We have 4 perennial All Stars (Reyes, Wright, Beltran, and Johan), a future Hall of Fame pitcher who is still very effective (Pedro), one of the best closers in the game (Wagner), two young pitchers on the rise (Maine and Perez), and we were able to hold onto our two best prospects (Fmart and Pelfrey) when obtaining the best pitcher on the planet.
And what you call trashing someone else’s team, I call pointing out an opponents foibles. Bowden may have made some good moves, but you’re still finishing in 4th. But hey, what do I “no” anyway?
KNOW, not no…That’s what I get for typing before getting my caffiene fix. All in all, Keith (you too sloppy), it’s been fun jawing with you and your fellow met fans. Maybe it is the optimism of Spring, but the Nats may do better than 4th. Not so sure of the NL East title (gotta be grounded in some sense of the word).
Tim, while I like your young OF as well as Zimmerman, your pitching has a ways to go. The Mets, Braves, and Phillies (and maybe even the Marlins) all have better starting pitching than the Nats.
Point taken; add to that a new ballpark with more batter-friendly dimensions and it will make for an interesting adjustment. If they can keep our pitchers off the DL for extended periods, the nats could surprise a few folks. We’ll see.
The Nats played well in the second half of the year. Not saying we should worry but Manny had them playing well.
You can’t have Manny back!!!!!!!!!
Isn’t he the key to stroking LM’s ego?
Real Mets fans. Please look forward to 8 out of every 10 of Schneider’s put outs to the second baseman.
Sloppy. Thanks for pointing out the flaws in our city that you obviously know so well. We all know that the Rat Trap which is NYC is just the cleanest crime-free place on the planet. As for selling out your stadium. You should sell out. You have about 20 million people with a team that’s been around for almost 40 years! You shouldn’t want a biscuit for selling 40,000 seats. We just got baseball back give us time. We are moving in the right direction. So clean off the rat droppings off your stove and worry about your own team.
Dave, I think what is so good about Manny is that he is stroking egos and holding players accountable at the same time. He benched players (Church being one of them) for not hustling out a ground out. I’ll mostly stay away from BigQ’s comments to Sloppy, other then I figured someone from DC would strike back.
BigQ, NYC is the safest large city in the world… so, yeah.
Hey big Q… i was unfortunate enough to have to go to work in that beutiful section of your miserable city known as the Navy Yard. If that’s what makes you proud so be it. I remember the first time I had to go that wonderful hood. The people told me to not even go by Metro in the daylight it was such a good neighborhood. Be proud. Be proud that you caouldn’t even get a team to spend some $$ to build your new dump. 30 year lease .. Its probably as sound as a college football coach’s contract.
Go Redskins… How does it feel to have that Super Bowl Trophy up I-95 a bit???? Can’t you come up with a less bigoted name for a team while your at it…... Your football team must be worse than the bug baseball team if our d coach wouldn’t even go there to be head coach. The Skins must suck worse than the Navy Yard partr of town you are so proud of. Even your hoops team. Who desigend the ugliest road uni in the history of pro sports? Maybe one of you 2 nats. Even your college hoops. Supposed to be bright ones in G-town and all they can think iof is to wear shirts with a 3 on it cause their coach is the 3rd. What an embarrassment. And worst of all you play host to Bush/Cheyney. Boy are you lucky.
Sloppy…you need a nap, or a hug…or a role model.