Comments on: Sosa signs http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/02/02/sosa-signs/ All about the Mets Sat, 11 Oct 2008 10:35:27 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=wordpress-mu-1.2.5 By: OMAR PADILLA http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/02/02/sosa-signs/#comment-32719 OMAR PADILLA Wed, 06 Feb 2008 23:16:49 +0000 http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/02/02/sosa-signs/#comment-32719 dave you do not know that we wouldn't have santana if we got a releiver last year. how much of an omar apologist can one be? so dave you must have a great boss who lets you not do your job one year but forgets about it because you did it the next year. where do i get such a boss? dave you do not know that we wouldn't have santana if we got a releiver last year. how much of an omar apologist can one be?

so dave you must have a great boss who lets you not do your job one year but forgets about it because you did it the next year. where do i get such a boss?

]]> By: dave http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/02/02/sosa-signs/#comment-32713 dave Wed, 06 Feb 2008 21:11:32 +0000 http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/02/02/sosa-signs/#comment-32713 Omar: The difference is we would have made the playoffs and that is pretty much it. Today we would not have Santana and we probably would have another reliever in the pen. We would have an average staff and no realistic shot at the World Series. That is the difference. This is 20/20 of course, but perhaps not. Perhaps Omar made the decision not to overpay for a reliever who will not make a material difference in the team for a shot at making a material difference on the team for years to come. Dave Omar:

The difference is we would have made the playoffs and that is pretty much it.

Today we would not have Santana and we probably would have another reliever in the pen. We would have an average staff and no realistic shot at the World Series.

That is the difference.

This is 20/20 of course, but perhaps not. Perhaps Omar made the decision not to overpay for a reliever who will not make a material difference in the team for a shot at making a material difference on the team for years to come.

Dave

]]> By: mel http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/02/02/sosa-signs/#comment-32711 mel Wed, 06 Feb 2008 17:28:38 +0000 http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/02/02/sosa-signs/#comment-32711 I think you got it wrong Mike C. The mop up and the long man are usually the same guy. Up 9-1 he pitches the 9th, Starter gets bombed he pitches 3-5 or 6. I think you got it wrong Mike C. The mop up and the long man are usually the same guy. Up 9-1 he pitches the 9th, Starter gets bombed he pitches 3-5 or 6.

]]> By: Mike C. http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/02/02/sosa-signs/#comment-32709 Mike C. Wed, 06 Feb 2008 16:30:14 +0000 http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/02/02/sosa-signs/#comment-32709 The longman is not the bum of the pen. You hide the bum in the pen as the mop-up man, just to eat innings when you're down or up by 5 or 6. And that's gotta be Horror Show's role, mop-up and very limited one-or-two-lefties situations. The long man is the guy who can get out of the pen when the starter has imploded but the game is still in question and go in, only giving up one or two runs in four or five innings. Sosa's the only reliever on this team with a shot at that role. This is not to say that he can't also be used in occasional short situations, it's just that you'll have to handle those occasional short situations in a smart manner. The longman is not the bum of the pen. You hide the bum in the pen as the mop-up man, just to eat innings when you're down or up by 5 or 6.

And that's gotta be Horror Show's role, mop-up and very limited one-or-two-lefties situations.

The long man is the guy who can get out of the pen when the starter has imploded but the game is still in question and go in, only giving up one or two runs in four or five innings.

Sosa's the only reliever on this team with a shot at that role. This is not to say that he can't also be used in occasional short situations, it's just that you'll have to handle those occasional short situations in a smart manner.

]]> By: sloppy http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/02/02/sosa-signs/#comment-32707 sloppy Wed, 06 Feb 2008 14:57:23 +0000 http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/02/02/sosa-signs/#comment-32707 clm: I have to disagree 100% on this post of yours. Schoenweiss had ERA of over 6 with Toronto in 2006 so I don't think the AL celebrated when he went to the Reds late in the year. The bullpen sucked from day 1. He (OMAR)talked to DC and wouldn't make a move. High price yes, but Santana doesn't guarantee anything. We have little back up strength and injuries to the 5 or 6 spot in lineup very possible. and pen praying for health of a guy out a year and a half. Last year he knew his pen was killing the team with basically 4 guys Willie could trust and he slept. OMAR cost the pennant not Willie. Willie used sosa to death to try to protect the top guys and it didn't work. Having 3 dead weights caught up to the team, and Omar slept thru it. Yes, it was OK for Omar to challenge the players but he seperated himself from the results and did a lousy job of it. He did good he said so if we lose you suck and Omar is still good, which is very lame and egostistical. I have to back Omar Padilla on this one. A team effort doesn't stop by part of the team! I guess Omar ain't part of the team . clm: I have to disagree 100% on this post of yours.
Schoenweiss had ERA of over 6 with Toronto in 2006 so I don't think the AL celebrated when he went to the Reds late in the year.
The bullpen sucked from day 1. He (OMAR)talked to DC and wouldn't make a move. High price yes, but Santana doesn't guarantee anything. We have little back up strength and injuries to the 5 or 6 spot in lineup very possible. and pen praying for health of a guy out a year and a half. Last year he knew his pen was killing the team with basically 4 guys Willie could trust and he slept. OMAR cost the pennant not Willie. Willie used sosa to death to try to protect the top guys and it didn't work. Having 3 dead weights caught up to the team, and Omar slept thru it.
Yes, it was OK for Omar to challenge the players but he seperated himself from the results and did a lousy job of it. He did good he said so if we lose you suck and Omar is still good, which is very lame and egostistical. I have to back Omar Padilla on this one. A team effort doesn't stop by part of the team! I guess Omar ain't part of the team .

]]> By: clm http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/02/02/sosa-signs/#comment-32706 clm Wed, 06 Feb 2008 13:29:33 +0000 http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/02/02/sosa-signs/#comment-32706 Schoeneweis? One thing about relief pitching is they can be down one year and lights out the next. A lot of people in the AL east were happy to see him go. And last year a lot of people in the NL east were happy to see him come in a game. I think that it was OK for Omar to challenge the players. And where was he supposed to get that impact bullpen guy last year and at what cost? If he had traded a good prospect or two for a guy then he's not in the Santana trade. And let's face it the bullpen was wore out from coming into every game and early. We can argue the merits of what should have happened all year but the fact is the Mets had the team to do it last year and they let it slip away on all facets of the game. That is not Omar. That is playing and managing. I love Willie but I watched him bring in Sosa for two innings in a game they one. Then the next night they were up by 6 runs. Does he rest the guy? No. He's back in for 2 innings. This is not a good way to rest your guys down the stretch. And I am sure that he has learned from it. And where was Peterson? shouldn't he have said "Hey WR -- Let the guy have a day off. One of myriad examples of bad choices down the stretch. Face it the collapse last year was a perfect storm of the Mets fading and the Phils getting hot. Not because we lacked a relief pitcher. Did the Brewers retain Mota? Schoeneweis? One thing about relief pitching is they can be down one year and lights out the next. A lot of people in the AL east were happy to see him go. And last year a lot of people in the NL east were happy to see him come in a game.

I think that it was OK for Omar to challenge the players. And where was he supposed to get that impact bullpen guy last year and at what cost? If he had traded a good prospect or two for a guy then he's not in the Santana trade. And let's face it the bullpen was wore out from coming into every game and early.

We can argue the merits of what should have happened all year but the fact is the Mets had the team to do it last year and they let it slip away on all facets of the game. That is not Omar. That is playing and managing.

I love Willie but I watched him bring in Sosa for two innings in a game they one. Then the next night they were up by 6 runs. Does he rest the guy? No. He's back in for 2 innings. This is not a good way to rest your guys down the stretch. And I am sure that he has learned from it. And where was Peterson? shouldn't he have said "Hey WR—Let the guy have a day off. One of myriad examples of bad choices down the stretch.

Face it the collapse last year was a perfect storm of the Mets fading and the Phils getting hot. Not because we lacked a relief pitcher.

Did the Brewers retain Mota?

]]> By: mel http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/02/02/sosa-signs/#comment-32705 mel Wed, 06 Feb 2008 11:30:59 +0000 http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/02/02/sosa-signs/#comment-32705 scoopcoop the long man is usually the biggest bum in the pen. Sosa is clearly a more flexible, talented, and valuable commodity than Shoeneweiss (who is not ggod enough to warrant a nickname), so shouldn't be the long man. If Sanchez isn't up to his 2006 form, which is very likely, especially in beginning of season, Sosa will split 7th oinning duty with Feliciano. Schoeneweis was a mistake that shouldn't be rewarded for a permanent injury that the Mets physical missed and he shouldn't be rewarded for his steroid use. scoopcoop the long man is usually the biggest bum in the pen. Sosa is clearly a more flexible, talented, and valuable commodity than Shoeneweiss (who is not ggod enough to warrant a nickname), so shouldn't be the long man. If Sanchez isn't up to his 2006 form, which is very likely, especially in beginning of season, Sosa will split 7th oinning duty with Feliciano. Schoeneweis was a mistake that shouldn't be rewarded for a permanent injury that the Mets physical missed and he shouldn't be rewarded for his steroid use.

]]> By: OMAR PADILLA http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/02/02/sosa-signs/#comment-32704 OMAR PADILLA Wed, 06 Feb 2008 01:49:41 +0000 http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/02/02/sosa-signs/#comment-32704 dave: what is the differenece what would have been left if Minaya had done his job last summer. If he had made a trade for a decent reliever you'd have had a playoff team. And a different package would have been thrown at the Twins. He's been harping for 3 years that the team is built for now, yet he forgot one year. I was going to lay off him but since he "did his job" statement, he lost my respect. dave: what is the differenece what would have been left if Minaya had done his job last summer. If he had made a trade for a decent reliever you'd have had a playoff team. And a different package would have been thrown at the Twins. He's been harping for 3 years that the team is built for now, yet he forgot one year. I was going to lay off him but since he "did his job" statement, he lost my respect.

]]> By: Mike C. http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/02/02/sosa-signs/#comment-32703 Mike C. Wed, 06 Feb 2008 01:26:18 +0000 http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/02/02/sosa-signs/#comment-32703 Show's injury was ligament damage that cannot be surgically corrected, if I remember correctly, it either heals itself or it doesn't and... I don't like the sound of that, y'know? Moreover, he was mediocre on HGH and was terrible without it. There ain't nothing left on that train. Show's injury was ligament damage that cannot be surgically corrected, if I remember correctly, it either heals itself or it doesn't and… I don't like the sound of that, y'know?

Moreover, he was mediocre on HGH and was terrible without it.

There ain't nothing left on that train.

]]> By: scoopcoop http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/02/02/sosa-signs/#comment-32702 scoopcoop Wed, 06 Feb 2008 00:21:34 +0000 http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/02/02/sosa-signs/#comment-32702 what is the defintion of a long man? I say a guy who can pitch 3-4-5 inn. That means Sosa or Show b/c they have been starters or relievers. I don't think Show will be that guy. I think it is Sosa. what is the defintion of a long man?

I say a guy who can pitch 3-4-5 inn.

That means Sosa or Show b/c they have been starters or relievers.

I don't think Show will be that guy.

I think it is Sosa.

]]> By: dave http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/02/02/sosa-signs/#comment-32688 dave Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:20:25 +0000 http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/02/02/sosa-signs/#comment-32688 Not to keep rehashing last year but if we had gotten a quality reliever at the break who would not be here in the offseason? Does that mean we would have yet another reliever and no Santana? Not to keep rehashing last year but if we had gotten a quality reliever at the break who would not be here in the offseason?

Does that mean we would have yet another reliever and no Santana?

]]> By: Taylor http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/02/02/sosa-signs/#comment-32687 Taylor Tue, 05 Feb 2008 18:44:18 +0000 http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/02/02/sosa-signs/#comment-32687 Good point by whoever it was about not needing a long man. When you really think about it a long man is just someone who isn't good enough to bring in in an important spot. If you can fill your bullpen with good reliable pitchers you are better off. There is no harm in having a good pitcher do mop-up duty (let's hope there's not too much of it to be done), or early inning relief. Good point by whoever it was about not needing a long man. When you really think about it a long man is just someone who isn't good enough to bring in in an important spot. If you can fill your bullpen with good reliable pitchers you are better off. There is no harm in having a good pitcher do mop-up duty (let's hope there's not too much of it to be done), or early inning relief.

]]> By: scoopcoop http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/02/02/sosa-signs/#comment-32686 scoopcoop Tue, 05 Feb 2008 17:46:35 +0000 http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/02/02/sosa-signs/#comment-32686 I didn't say great, I said decent. Besides one or two outings, he was ok. Nobody will take him at the price of 2 yrs contract and the Mets will not trade him unless someone will. Mota was traded b/c the Brewers took his contract which is only for 1 yr. A leader, whether it is in BB or any walk of life is not going to be able to have the same level of authority if someone who reports to their boss comes into their "realm" and undermines their authority. And by simply coming into the clubhouse on a regular basis so that the players can talk/complain/interact with Bernazard, if I were Wille, I would consider that undermining. I didn't say great, I said decent. Besides one or two outings, he was ok.

Nobody will take him at the price of 2 yrs contract and the Mets will not trade him unless someone will.

Mota was traded b/c the Brewers took his contract which is only for 1 yr.

A leader, whether it is in BB or any walk of life is not going to be able to have the same level of authority if someone who reports to their boss comes into their "realm" and undermines their authority. And by simply coming into the clubhouse on a regular basis so that the players can talk/complain/interact with Bernazard, if I were Wille, I would consider that undermining.

]]> By: OMAR PADILLA http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/02/02/sosa-signs/#comment-32684 OMAR PADILLA Tue, 05 Feb 2008 13:27:20 +0000 http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/02/02/sosa-signs/#comment-32684 What great September are we talking about. The one with a 4.66 ERA?? The one when he came in against the Pgiuls with the game still close and pitched worse than Lawrence? I think you mean April when he actually pitched good and had an ERA under 2. How do you know nobody will take him. someone took Mota, so you don't know that. How much sway does Bernazard have in the clubhouse? Is he destrotying the team? Is he countering Willie's authority? What is it he's doing so bad?? What great September are we talking about. The one with a 4.66 ERA?? The one when he came in against the Pgiuls with the game still close and pitched worse than Lawrence? I think you mean April when he actually pitched good and had an ERA under 2. How do you know nobody will take him. someone took Mota, so you don't know that.
How much sway does Bernazard have in the clubhouse? Is he destrotying the team? Is he countering Willie's authority? What is it he's doing so bad??

]]> By: scoopcoop http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/02/02/sosa-signs/#comment-32683 scoopcoop Tue, 05 Feb 2008 12:46:48 +0000 http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/02/02/sosa-signs/#comment-32683 Reports stated Show was hurt. I hope his decent September was a sign that he had overcome his knee problem. No one is going to to take him. As for Omar, the biggest joke is letting Bernazard have sway in the clubhouse. I hope that was rectified. Reports stated Show was hurt. I hope his decent September was a sign that he had overcome his knee problem.

No one is going to to take him.

As for Omar, the biggest joke is letting Bernazard have sway in the clubhouse. I hope that was rectified.

]]> By: OMAR PADILLA http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/02/02/sosa-signs/#comment-32682 OMAR PADILLA Tue, 05 Feb 2008 12:41:13 +0000 http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/02/02/sosa-signs/#comment-32682 We sure did have 3 rotten relievers. That's why I find Minaya's comments to be a joke. He totally failed to do his job last year, cost a pennant and now he's saying "I did my job" so you better play good. He has followed one excellent move with a show of arrogance and its me vurses thee. Why should anyone be more accountable than he was? As for long man, put the biggest bum there and that is Schoeneweis. Better yet, disable him for 2 years or ask the Brewers if they want to be charitable one more time. We sure did have 3 rotten relievers. That's why I find Minaya's comments to be a joke. He totally failed to do his job last year, cost a pennant and now he's saying "I did my job" so you better play good. He has followed one excellent move with a show of arrogance and its me vurses thee. Why should anyone be more accountable than he was?
As for long man, put the biggest bum there and that is Schoeneweis. Better yet, disable him for 2 years or ask the Brewers if they want to be charitable one more time.

]]> By: Mike C. http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/02/02/sosa-signs/#comment-32681 Mike C. Tue, 05 Feb 2008 01:36:56 +0000 http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/02/02/sosa-signs/#comment-32681 The Great Collapse happened, remember, because instead of one terrible reliever to hide in the bullpen... as some even very good teams have due to contractual obligations... the Mets had three of them, Sele and Schoeneweis and Mota. You can't hide three arms in the bullpen without burning out your other four. The Mets have a good chance of only having one terrible reliever to hide this year, in the form of No Show. Here's hoping, right? Sosa for long-man. The Great Collapse happened, remember, because instead of one terrible reliever to hide in the bullpen… as some even very good teams have due to contractual obligations… the Mets had three of them, Sele and Schoeneweis and Mota.

You can't hide three arms in the bullpen without burning out your other four.

The Mets have a good chance of only having one terrible reliever to hide this year, in the form of No Show.

Here's hoping, right? Sosa for long-man.

]]> By: scoopcoop http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/02/02/sosa-signs/#comment-32680 scoopcoop Tue, 05 Feb 2008 01:29:28 +0000 http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/02/02/sosa-signs/#comment-32680 slop, Sele didn't pitch b/c he stunk. Why he remained on the team I don't know. But that doesn't mean you don't need a guy from time to time who can go 3-4-5 inn. Maybe since Sele stunk that is part of the reason the rest of the pen ran out of gas b/c instead of using him in those mop up situations or where you are behind by 3-4-5 runs and still think you have a chance, you instead bring in the other guys. Those extra inn may have caused the pen to collapse. It is not that important of a point anyway. The pens success will depend alot more on the SP going longer in gms and Wagner, Heilman, Feilicano and a healthy Sanchez performing well and to some extent some bounce back from Show and Wise. Sosa is most likely the last guy to get a call out of that group if those other guys perform to a level they are capable of. slop,

Sele didn't pitch b/c he stunk. Why he remained on the team I don't know. But that doesn't mean you don't need a guy from time to time who can go 3-4-5 inn.

Maybe since Sele stunk that is part of the reason the rest of the pen ran out of gas b/c instead of using him in those mop up situations or where you are behind by 3-4-5 runs and still think you have a chance, you instead bring in the other guys. Those extra inn may have caused the pen to collapse.

It is not that important of a point anyway. The pens success will depend alot more on the SP going longer in gms and Wagner, Heilman, Feilicano and a healthy Sanchez performing well and to some extent some bounce back from Show and Wise.

Sosa is most likely the last guy to get a call out of that group if those other guys perform to a level they are capable of.

]]> By: sloppy http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/02/02/sosa-signs/#comment-32678 sloppy Tue, 05 Feb 2008 00:23:01 +0000 http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/02/02/sosa-signs/#comment-32678 We need a long man??? Why??? Last year Sele pitched more than 2 innings a grand total of 4 times and one of them was the Astro extra inning game when he finished cause nobody was left. We need a long man??? Why??? Last year Sele pitched more than 2 innings a grand total of 4 times and one of them was the Astro extra inning game when he finished cause nobody was left.

]]> By: dave http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/02/02/sosa-signs/#comment-32676 dave Mon, 04 Feb 2008 21:57:16 +0000 http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/02/02/sosa-signs/#comment-32676 We have Sosa and Pelf to pick up when the starters get hurt. I think we should also go sign a wounded vet to stash in AAA in case plan B fails for some reason.. We have Sosa and Pelf to pick up when the starters get hurt. I think we should also go sign a wounded vet to stash in AAA in case plan B fails for some reason..

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