Comments on: The Bandwagon http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/01/22/the-bandwagon/ All about the Mets Tue, 17 Nov 2009 07:08:38 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: sloppy http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/01/22/the-bandwagon/comment-page-1/#comment-32289 sloppy Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:32:43 +0000 http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/01/22/the-bandwagon/#comment-32289 dave: Ryan had one of the longest careers in history and Seaver pitched for almost 20 years in the bigs. Only Koufax had a short career but he was quite the innings eater. We can disagree about Livan and when Omar pulls the trigger I'll root for him..... what choice will I have? dave: Ryan had one of the longest careers in history and Seaver pitched for almost 20 years in the bigs. Only Koufax had a short career but he was quite the innings eater. We can disagree about Livan and when Omar pulls the trigger I’ll root for him….. what choice will I have?

]]> By: dave http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/01/22/the-bandwagon/comment-page-1/#comment-32285 dave Tue, 29 Jan 2008 15:49:33 +0000 http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/01/22/the-bandwagon/#comment-32285 Sloppy, Perhaps it is me but Seaver, Kofax,Ryan had short careers and many complete games. As for Livan I guess we will have to disagree on his usefulness for 2008. Sloppy,

Perhaps it is me but Seaver, Kofax,Ryan had short careers and many complete games.

As for Livan I guess we will have to disagree on his usefulness for 2008.

]]> By: sloppy http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/01/22/the-bandwagon/comment-page-1/#comment-32267 sloppy Tue, 29 Jan 2008 03:15:46 +0000 http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/01/22/the-bandwagon/#comment-32267 dave: you miss the point not me. the point is Livan has gone down innings for several years now, to barely over 200 last year as ERA has rocketed, his Ks have dwindled considerably. He's finished. Based on your logic we should sign Tom Seaver, Fergie Jenkins, Sandy Koufax. They all pitched 200 innings, some 300 innings and Pelfrey never has. Guess what Pelfrey will never pitch 200 innings if we sign has beens like Livan every year. Why do people want to go after garbage?????? We all know the game has changed. We can whine about it but its based on medical evidence on how to try to keep the arm healthy for longer periods of time. So while we all liked the complete game and all that stuff its not coming back until new evidence comes and gets accepted. Another reason not to get the over used and abused arm of Livan. With the $$ involved nobody is pitching 150 pitch games anymore. dave:

you miss the point not me. the point is Livan has gone down innings for several years now, to barely over 200 last year as ERA has rocketed, his Ks have dwindled considerably. He’s finished. Based on your logic we should sign Tom Seaver, Fergie Jenkins, Sandy Koufax. They all pitched 200 innings, some 300 innings and Pelfrey never has. Guess what Pelfrey will never pitch 200 innings if we sign has beens like Livan every year. Why do people want to go after garbage??????
We all know the game has changed. We can whine about it but its based on medical evidence on how to try to keep the arm healthy for longer periods of time. So while we all liked the complete game and all that stuff its not coming back until new evidence comes and gets accepted. Another reason not to get the over used and abused arm of Livan. With the $$ involved nobody is pitching 150 pitch games anymore.

]]> By: dave http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/01/22/the-bandwagon/comment-page-1/#comment-32242 dave Mon, 28 Jan 2008 20:27:10 +0000 http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/01/22/the-bandwagon/#comment-32242 Sloppy, The difference is that the other Hernandez has pitched 200 innings and the young guys haven't. The point is that with the fragile nature of the rotation having an Innings Eater(tm) is useful. I am not saying the Pelfrey or Humber may not pitch in the majors this year. I think Pelfrey learned a lot by getting spanked all season. But don't be fooled that they can go a full season. Maine who was cruising in the first half hit a wall and was not half the pitcher he was in the first 2 months of the season. I am hoping Maine has figured out how to run the marathon. Which is a nice segway to the article on Darling I read today about the differences in training today and when he was a pitcher. One of the things he mentioned is endurance. How he was taught to finish games and how the current training methods do not seem to value going the distance. This is a problem with today's game and a pet peeve of Steve C's. Sloppy,

The difference is that the other Hernandez has pitched 200 innings and the young guys haven’t.

The point is that with the fragile nature of the rotation having an Innings Eater™ is useful. I am not saying the Pelfrey or Humber may not pitch in the majors this year. I think Pelfrey learned a lot by getting spanked all season. But don’t be fooled that they can go a full season.

Maine who was cruising in the first half hit a wall and was not half the pitcher he was in the first 2 months of the season. I am hoping Maine has figured out how to run the marathon.

Which is a nice segway to the article on Darling I read today about the differences in training today and when he was a pitcher. One of the things he mentioned is endurance. How he was taught to finish games and how the current training methods do not seem to value going the distance.

This is a problem with today’s game and a pet peeve of Steve C’s.

]]> By: sloppy http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/01/22/the-bandwagon/comment-page-1/#comment-32240 sloppy Mon, 28 Jan 2008 20:05:06 +0000 http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/01/22/the-bandwagon/#comment-32240 dave; if we can "slam" our way for Livan, we can slam our way for pelfrey or humber or lawrence.... it didn't work last year, it won't work this year. dave; if we can “slam” our way for Livan, we can slam our way for pelfrey or humber or lawrence…. it didn’t work last year, it won’t work this year.

]]> By: dave http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/01/22/the-bandwagon/comment-page-1/#comment-32234 dave Mon, 28 Jan 2008 17:41:38 +0000 http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/01/22/the-bandwagon/#comment-32234 I read a very reasoned article somewhere that makes a case for Livan with or without Santana. Basically with the lineup healthy we can slam our way to a decent record with a 200 inning guy like Livan. This soaks up innings lost by our beloved Glavine. It also either bumps El Duque to the pen or Pelfrey to reserve/pen or the minors. Either way you have next year to think about and the annual injuries thing to deal with. If Livan is here you have 2 of the 3 in reserve when someone goes down - El Duque, Pelfrey, Sosa. If they make the trade for Santana you no longer have Humber, Mulvey, Guerra so you still have a valid starting 5 with an Ace leading the way. I am not saying Livan is any great shakes but he lends stability at low cost and you have a plan no matter which way the Santana sweepstakes shake out. I read a very reasoned article somewhere that makes a case for Livan with or without Santana. Basically with the lineup healthy we can slam our way to a decent record with a 200 inning guy like Livan.

This soaks up innings lost by our beloved Glavine. It also either bumps El Duque to the pen or Pelfrey to reserve/pen or the minors.

Either way you have next year to think about and the annual injuries thing to deal with.

If Livan is here you have 2 of the 3 in reserve when someone goes down – El Duque, Pelfrey, Sosa.

If they make the trade for Santana you no longer have Humber, Mulvey, Guerra so you still have a valid starting 5 with an Ace leading the way.

I am not saying Livan is any great shakes but he lends stability at low cost and you have a plan no matter which way the Santana sweepstakes shake out.

]]> By: Gumpwine http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/01/22/the-bandwagon/comment-page-1/#comment-32218 Gumpwine Mon, 28 Jan 2008 14:02:59 +0000 http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/01/22/the-bandwagon/#comment-32218 given the articles being written that say that if the Mets do not land Santana they will sign either Livan Hernandez or Kyle Lohse - to a multiyear contract!!! - I have to say we need to mortgage the farm to get Santana, if only to stay away from those two clowns. I used to think differently, but not if it means making bad decisions instead. Hopefully (and we know that Hope is a ship that sank), they will only have to give up either Gomez or Martinez and not both. given the articles being written that say that if the Mets do not land Santana they will sign either Livan Hernandez or Kyle Lohse – to a multiyear contract!!! – I have to say we need to mortgage the farm to get Santana, if only to stay away from those two clowns. I used to think differently, but not if it means making bad decisions instead. Hopefully (and we know that Hope is a ship that sank), they will only have to give up either Gomez or Martinez and not both.

]]> By: scoopcoop http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/01/22/the-bandwagon/comment-page-1/#comment-32217 scoopcoop Mon, 28 Jan 2008 13:57:45 +0000 http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/01/22/the-bandwagon/#comment-32217 stick, given O's sad management, I'm sure M's will make out well in this deal. stick,

given O’s sad management, I’m sure M’s will make out well in this deal.

]]> By: letsgometsgo http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/01/22/the-bandwagon/comment-page-1/#comment-32212 letsgometsgo Mon, 28 Jan 2008 02:59:42 +0000 http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/01/22/the-bandwagon/#comment-32212 i think milledge is too young to know what he is or will be. at 29 you know church only hits righties. yes we have a screwed up bench. a couple good pinch hitters yes, but not nearly enough flexibility. anyway, we will be seeing lefties brought up from independent leagues to face us if delgado doesn't bounce back and alou goes down again. i think milledge is too young to know what he is or will be. at 29 you know church only hits righties. yes we have a screwed up bench. a couple good pinch hitters yes, but not nearly enough flexibility. anyway, we will be seeing lefties brought up from independent leagues to face us if delgado doesn’t bounce back and alou goes down again.

]]> By: stick http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/01/22/the-bandwagon/comment-page-1/#comment-32210 stick Mon, 28 Jan 2008 02:19:06 +0000 http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/01/22/the-bandwagon/#comment-32210 Interesting about Bedard. Since he had 2 years left, either the Ms blew them away, or IMO quite likely, the Orioles were worried about him staying healthy for another year. Wonder if the Mariners will look to extend him right away? Interesting about Bedard. Since he had 2 years left, either the Ms blew them away, or IMO quite likely, the Orioles were worried about him staying healthy for another year.

Wonder if the Mariners will look to extend him right away?

]]> By: stick http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/01/22/the-bandwagon/comment-page-1/#comment-32209 stick Mon, 28 Jan 2008 02:13:38 +0000 http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/01/22/the-bandwagon/#comment-32209 lgmg - Well, to some extent, Millege was a platoon guy too, based onhis splits. And at least there aren't that many tough lefties to worry about. I think they got the bench screwed up by bringing back Easley. A true OF/1B would be better to serve his role (RH PH power guy), since Easley doesn't do much in the filed, and they have other guys that can cover 2B. lgmg – Well, to some extent, Millege was a platoon guy too, based onhis splits. And at least there aren’t that many tough lefties to worry about.

I think they got the bench screwed up by bringing back Easley. A true OF/1B would be better to serve his role (RH PH power guy), since Easley doesn’t do much in the filed, and they have other guys that can cover 2B.

]]> By: scoopcoop http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/01/22/the-bandwagon/comment-page-1/#comment-32208 scoopcoop Mon, 28 Jan 2008 01:20:12 +0000 http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/01/22/the-bandwagon/#comment-32208 Bedard to M's I guess it is Santana or L Hernandez....the Mets savior for 08. Bedard to M’s

I guess it is Santana or

L Hernandez….the Mets savior for 08.

]]> By: letsgometsgo http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/01/22/the-bandwagon/comment-page-1/#comment-32207 letsgometsgo Mon, 28 Jan 2008 01:10:17 +0000 http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/01/22/the-bandwagon/#comment-32207 stick, church may be all right vs righties but he totally sucks vs lefties, no power, no average.... Minaya bought a platoon player in an era when platoon players are hard to support. sloppy, i think you got the attitude about right but i think it basically applies to virtually all teams except the 2 beasts in the am. east. stick, church may be all right vs righties but he totally sucks vs lefties, no power, no average…. Minaya bought a platoon player in an era when platoon players are hard to support.

sloppy, i think you got the attitude about right but i think it basically applies to virtually all teams except the 2 beasts in the am. east.

]]> By: Spiderpig http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/01/22/the-bandwagon/comment-page-1/#comment-32206 Spiderpig Mon, 28 Jan 2008 00:38:15 +0000 http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/01/22/the-bandwagon/#comment-32206 I'm a Jets and Giants fan, just can't seem to pick between them. I’m a Jets and Giants fan, just can’t seem to pick between them.

]]> By: stick http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/01/22/the-bandwagon/comment-page-1/#comment-32205 stick Mon, 28 Jan 2008 00:07:38 +0000 http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/01/22/the-bandwagon/#comment-32205 Sloppy, i understand you points about the bench. Basically, you were agreeing with me! In my scenerio, they would end up losing Endy, unless they were willing to go with a 6 man pen. So, Easley it will be. Basiclaly, CHurch is not a platoon player, and I wasn't advocating that. I just wanted to see someone better for the games he does rest, or if Alou had to sit, or Delgado needs a break. That is a lot to ask out of Easley. Omar P, I don't think Omar M is being inconsistant. He feels that adding an Ace makes a difference, and if that doesn't happen, he will keep the prospects and build the team. But, he is willing to bring on a s/t vet for 2008 to give them time to develop. Basically, he isn't willing to write off the season by starting too many young guys, and they need some depth for when duque or Pedro goes on the DL. I personally think they should skip Livan though and run with what they got. Now, if they could pick up someone like Snell, that would be fine! Sloppy, i understand you points about the bench. Basically, you were agreeing with me! In my scenerio, they would end up losing Endy, unless they were willing to go with a 6 man pen. So, Easley it will be.

Basiclaly, CHurch is not a platoon player, and I wasn’t advocating that. I just wanted to see someone better for the games he does rest, or if Alou had to sit, or Delgado needs a break. That is a lot to ask out of Easley.

Omar P, I don’t think Omar M is being inconsistant. He feels that adding an Ace makes a difference, and if that doesn’t happen, he will keep the prospects and build the team. But, he is willing to bring on a s/t vet for 2008 to give them time to develop.

Basically, he isn’t willing to write off the season by starting too many young guys, and they need some depth for when duque or Pedro goes on the DL.

I personally think they should skip Livan though and run with what they got. Now, if they could pick up someone like Snell, that would be fine!

]]> By: OMAR PADILLA http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/01/22/the-bandwagon/comment-page-1/#comment-32202 OMAR PADILLA Sun, 27 Jan 2008 17:00:09 +0000 http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/01/22/the-bandwagon/#comment-32202 Just read the Delcos article about Santana and Livan, and it totally convinces me that Minaya must go NOW. If Minaya would be saying I want these young guys to be part of the Met future that would be fine , then there should be no discussions with the Twins about Santana. The fact that he claims he wants these kids yet can't stop talking to the Twins shows that he has no plan, and has no idea what he really wants to do. And as far as development goes he puts all these kids in the so called fast track, but when there are no more steps to go except the bigs he keeps the Alou's and goes after the Livan's to force them to stagnate so next year we'll hear the same BS we heard this year about Milledge that his value dropped. Of course it drops when you stagnate and Omar you have developed a way to stagnate them all. Just read the Delcos article about Santana and Livan, and it totally convinces me that Minaya must go NOW. If Minaya would be saying I want these young guys to be part of the Met future that would be fine , then there should be no discussions with the Twins about Santana. The fact that he claims he wants these kids yet can’t stop talking to the Twins shows that he has no plan, and has no idea what he really wants to do. And as far as development goes he puts all these kids in the so called fast track, but when there are no more steps to go except the bigs he keeps the Alou’s and goes after the Livan’s to force them to stagnate so next year we’ll hear the same BS we heard this year about Milledge that his value dropped. Of course it drops when you stagnate and Omar you have developed a way to stagnate them all.

]]> By: sloppy http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/01/22/the-bandwagon/comment-page-1/#comment-32195 sloppy Sun, 27 Jan 2008 00:48:33 +0000 http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/01/22/the-bandwagon/#comment-32195 delcos' coverage of the mets this off season is probably too much, not too little, based on what minaya has done this winter. delcos’ coverage of the mets this off season is probably too much, not too little, based on what minaya has done this winter.

]]> By: Stillsane http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/01/22/the-bandwagon/comment-page-1/#comment-32194 Stillsane Sat, 26 Jan 2008 19:56:14 +0000 http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/01/22/the-bandwagon/#comment-32194 Billy, Appreciate the names of the other blogs to look at, but, what big news has John missed covering about the Mets? The signing of Rincon, or, the talk of Livan? While I certain respect everyone's right to have an opinion, I personally would not be too tough on John's coverage of the Mets through this blog when there has been very little news wise to work with these past few months. Billy,

Appreciate the names of the other blogs to look at, but, what big news has John missed covering about the Mets? The signing of Rincon, or, the talk of Livan? While I certain respect everyone’s right to have an opinion, I personally would not be too tough on John’s coverage of the Mets through this blog when there has been very little news wise to work with these past few months.

]]> By: Billy http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/01/22/the-bandwagon/comment-page-1/#comment-32192 Billy Sat, 26 Jan 2008 12:51:48 +0000 http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/01/22/the-bandwagon/#comment-32192 John, While I enjoyed your blog during the season, your off season postings have been a big disappointment. Peter is doing a much better job then you over on the Yankee side...If any of you Met fans need to get some news on the team, I found a great blog that is not only entertaining but informative...METSBLOG.COM...This blog has also signed a deal with SNY, giving it alot of credibility. Another blog almost as good is metsfever.blogspot.com...good stuff. Sorry John, love your Mets coverage, but maybe you should let someone else handle this blog...... John, While I enjoyed your blog during the season, your off season postings have been a big disappointment. Peter is doing a much better job then you over on the Yankee side…If any of you Met fans need to get some news on the team, I found a great blog that is not only entertaining but informative…METSBLOG.COM…This blog has also signed a deal with SNY, giving it alot of credibility. Another blog almost as good is metsfever.blogspot.com…good stuff. Sorry John, love your Mets coverage, but maybe you should let someone else
handle this blog…...

]]> By: mel http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/01/22/the-bandwagon/comment-page-1/#comment-32191 mel Sat, 26 Jan 2008 12:19:48 +0000 http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/01/22/the-bandwagon/#comment-32191 Roberto Hernandez may be a little too young to play for the Minaya Mets.... Roberto Hernandez may be a little too young to play for the Minaya Mets….

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