There’s virtually no difference between what he wrote—and what you just posted this evening, for that matter—and me telling him to go fuck himself. The intent in all three communications are the same; it’s only a slight semantical difference.

So, please, explain to me why word choice should make a difference when intent is clear. I’m dying to hear this one.

I generally agree with what you’re saying re telling what to do and the slavery; I phrased that, err, sloppily. What I’m trying to say is that if you can’t substantiate your position without resorting to personal attacks, perhaps you shouldn’t be advacing that position and, more important, shouldn’t be surprised by the subsequent responses. You can’t make the personal attack—and then feign outrage when it’s returned back at you.

Pretty funny stuff. If that’s your rag I believe you are sad. Actually if that is what sets you off, you need to see a shrink, real fast. because that is something called sarcasm, which obviously you were never taught about.
Second, Don’t tell me or anyone else what we have to do. We don’t have to do anything. We aren’t your slaves.

PS: What number is your Ryan Church jersey? HAHAHAHAHA

1.) No one is quoting Church’s stats as a 28-yr-old minor leaguer. I quoted his stats as a 24-year-old. A little accuracy goes a long way.

2.) He did attack first. He spouted some crap about me buying a Ryan Church jersey, which had absolutely, positively nothing to do with our discussion, except for personalizing it. If you’re going to initiate a personal attack, I don’t see how you can complain about how it subsequently escalates.

3.) OBP has been considered to be much more important since Branch Rickey first championed it, some 60 years ago. (Now it’s my turn for the condescending question: Do you even know who he is?)

4.) If you think it’s a bad trade, then be able to explain your position beyond farcical comments like Church is “below average.” There’s no responsible data to support that conclusion. If you want to argue that you don’t trade your best prospect, great. But if you’re going to say Church is junk or below average, then you should have something to support these claims—something beyond sideshows about buying Ryan Church jerseys.

I would take option #1. Delgado won’t stink this year like last and having LM ( who can’t hit a breaking ball ) will strike out with Jose at the plate and the power guys will come up with no one on.

First of all my name is not OP, it is OMAR. The only OP is Ollie.
Secondly, I have to agree with Sloppy. If you think that any minor league stats at the age of 28/29 are good then you are in a fools’ dream. The only guys who still play in the minors at that age are fringe players, what is known as AAAA. Also, I did not see him attack you, just your positions and you responbded with a go f yourself response. Therefore I am surprised you got any response.
You asked the guy for stats. He gave you basic stats and then he gave you creative stats and of course you rejected them. Why are your stats any more valuable then his? When was OB% ever part of the triple crown? Why doesn’t Milz getting hit by pitch count? It never bothered Frank Robinson any did it? Do you even know who he is?And I agree with him. You don’t trade a 22 year old who is your most ready for the bigs prospect for a 2 pieces of junk like Minaya did. Don’t use me to defend your position especially when it is so bad.

I’ll agree that Church has taken awhile to come along, but that doesn’t necessarily mean he’s somehow limited or has a low ceiling. At age 24—which is a very appropriate age for that level—he absolutely demolished AAA pitching. If he were breaking through against AAA pitching at age 27, I’d be concerned; but he did it at 24. He’s been derailed by injuries since then, but has also given glimpses—slugging over .500 in the bigs in 2006—that it’s still there.

As for whether it’s a bad trade, we’ll know in time. But if the other Omar harbored any doubts about whether Milledge would develop enough power to warrant a corner-outfield position (and his SLG numbers have been dropping as he’s moved up the minor-league chain), then he had to deal him sooner than later.

You ought to adjust your sightlines to see a.) how often a player doesn’t make an out and b.) whether he’s putting himself into scoring position and/or advancing runners already on base. These are both much more critical than merely focusing on batting average.

But I will give you credit for trying. I mean, relying on something as limited as BA is better than just regurgitating the fantasy stuff swirling around in your head.

Finally, I’m confused as to why my personal attack on you as somehow worse than yours on me, particularly when you made yours first. Isn’t this really the pot calling the kettle black, and isn’t your stated intent to put me in your “dead person’s file” really just confirmation of it?

1. Average batting average for outfielders in 2007 = 273

Church batting average in 2007 = 272

This includes every guy brought up out of desperation because of injuries, so in reality if Church is a rgualar he is even more below average than indicated.

2. Age comparison

At age 22 Ryan Church played low A ball and hit 287. He was promoted to hiugh A ball and hit a lofty 242.

At age 22 Latings Milledge hit 272 for the major league New York Mets. Amazingly, despite all the flaws in his swing that are mentioned by curse boys he hiot for the same average as the mature, fully developed Ryan church hit at age 29.

Good bye curse boy. What’s worse then you losing is that all Met fans except you lost because of the trade. But the fool is you curse boy for thinking your GM is perfect when in fact he has been a bad GM for the last two winters.

Yopu lost your case to Sloppy many posts back when you reverted to cursing. Don’t you see he is now continually egging you on, and, successfully so.

Personally, I as a Met fan hope Church hits 340 and drives in 145, but guess what Benny, when a guy takes so many years to come along so slow, you know it ain’t happening. Omar made another bad deal and your throwing stats about the guy won’t change that.

And, yeah, that was a convincing sample size for Milledge last year. You still haven’t expressed a cogent thought about Milledge’s potential and the limitations that have been exposed during his minor-league career.

And, yes, of course, Omar is the fool—and you’re the genius. Anyone can see that one a mile away.

PS Milz creamed minor league pitchers last year but only a fool like you would brag about it. If you are happy about trading top propects for less than average 29 year olds then fine, enjoy your mediocre team next year. I’m hoping dor top notch players and Omar didn’t get them, yet he gave up top prospect for them. Mike C called it right. The youth get better but fools like you and Omar don’t see it.

Anyway, when iss your next 4 letter word post coming curse boy. Any one who posts stuff like you did has lost all credibility forever, curse boy.

You’re correct in noting the age discrepancy between the two players. But, that said, providing me with David Newhan’s AAA numbers doesn’t exactly prove a thing about Milledge and his potential. A close look at Milledge’s minor-league numbers will show that his SLG has dropped as he’s faced tougher competition, and that his OBP has been fueled by HBP (rather than BB). You can’t say the same thing about Church, who has hit for power everywhere.

Finally, in regard to Joe McEwing, his mastery of Randy Johnson is only one example; in my post, I provided 20 examples of closers or front-end starters Church has done well against. Moreover, it was your argument that Church hadn’t been facing real competition; I’m still waiting you to either withdraw or refute this.