Omar Minaya is speaking now. He just announced Willie Randolph will stay on as Mets’ manager.
I’m glad Willie is coming back, this collapse was not entirely his fault…....This is a start in the right direction.
Well they better get it right next time. In my humble opinion this is going be Omar’s worst off season move this year.
I’ll give them both a second chance, but they both better know that they better get it done next year. What pitchers do we have on the farm? What does Gomez project to be? What about Gotay?
Omar and Co. can apply an offseason salve that bolsters the lineup and mollifies the justifiably angry fans. In light of the recent apology letter that was sent, I’m curious just how committed they’re going to be to pairing party lines and rhetoric with results.
Good. Lets get on to the hot stove. Can we fast forward to November already?
Thank God!!! The thought of having to start over with another manager was truly scary. So many people say fire him, but who’s out there that’s truly tested and proven to survive in the pressure cooker of NY Sports!
Besides, Willie is only partially responsible for this collapse. I thought it was laughable that our GM who REFUSED to better our bullpen can parade around here without HIS job being in jepoardy!! Soo many people are responsible for what happened. Did we forget that the same bullpen that proved to be our undoing was the one constructed by Omar. Not only did he not get us a starter after that was our blaring weakness after ‘06, he refused to trade for adequate bullpen help before the trade deadline. Omar should carry the brunt of the heat, not Willie!
After all of the injuries and un-inspired play (blame that on who you want), Willie kept this team in first through just about the entirety of the season. Look at what he’s brought us in only a few years and compare that to what we’ve endured over the past decade? Under him we’ve finally became relevant in NY Sports again.
Yup—- so now we know what isn’t changing. I want to know what they are going to change next year’s outcome. Substantive changes—not more platitudes about 24-yr-old youngsters needing to grow up.
Absolutely the correct move in keeping Randolph. Now Omar needs to get to work to try and makeover this pathetic pitching staff.
Well, judging by the curious usage of and subsequent grumblings from the bullpen, how inclined will a free agent reliever be to step into the circus tent?
They need a horse in the rotation, too. My preference, assuming health and status of Martinez, Perez and Maine, is a power lefty a la Sabbathia.
Gotta love Alou, but it would be nuts to rely on the guy. How close is Fernando Martinez?
He will have a short leash. Lollygagging by his players better be unacceptable next year. From Reyes to Delgado to Milledge, and even D.Wright sometimes who has a habit of watching his homers instead of running, Willie had better instill some discipline. He should also take the message that the bullpen has given him which is to define their roles.
Important points to remember:
1.) Young players get better as they gain experience.
2.) Willie is a New York guy and understands.
3.) His guys are hungry and ready to win.
With all respect to you:
#3??? they didn’t look hungry and ready to win the past two weeks…..
Where did you get that “You Gotta Bereave” graphic.
I can live with this, as long as everyone involved analyzes the problems and learns from their mistakes so they don;’t happen again.
That, and this team better come out lean, mean and hungry, with a major chip on their shoulders. Including WIllie.
They better look to take no prisoners, steal your wife then kick the dog just as a parting shot!
That really translates to staying focused, and play hard for 162 games, regardless of the record. No slacking, no malaise.
As soon as the doldrums reappear, he needs to go. And if the players can’t get it done, take Omar with him (right or wrong, it is the nature of the business!)
Oh, and make some changes to the coaches. Get guys that can work with WIllie, can keep on top of the players, actually add value.
Rickey, gone. Work with Willie to figure out the rest of them.
Hate this non-move. Willie Randolph is a worse manager than Art Howe. He is arrogant and refuses to take accountability for his mistakes. Only the talent level of the Mets hides how poor of a manager he truly is.
John: on Heath Bell, I don’t feel like making comments in both entries. Heath Bell was going to be a stud. Every stat-head knew this. How did the Mets use him? They had him on a perpetual shuttle between Norfolk and the big club and they never let him get regular work. It’s hilarious because he kept on giving Mota regular work of all people. Because Mota is a vet and Heath Bell is not. If Bell actually got a legitimate chance to succeed as a Met he could have made it. He never got that chance, getting mop up duty once a week or every two weeks and then right back to AAA.
Willie is an awful manager! I can’t believe all the people defending him!
He should be fired. I have watched 140+ Mets games this past year. It wasnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t just WillieÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s fault, Omar didnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t help but there were some serious problems with Willie Randolph all season.
1) Insane attachment to veteran players.
2) Constantly treating players differently. Milledge got suspended and Willie refused to put him in the lineup right away, trying to teach him a lesson. You know, when PLD got suspended, Willie didnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t say ####. He treated players differently. The difference between PLD and Milledge is Milledge is actually competent with a bat. But Milledge
isnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t a Proven Veteran! (TM)
3) Complete and utter failure to comprehend pitching changes. The guy constantly went to Mota. Mota was mop-up duty period and he put him into the big pressure situations CONSTANTLY.
4) Mis-used Show, who is a great LOOGY and decent on the road, wait here he comes to pitch to righties at home! Brilliant!
5) Arrogance at every press conference. It was never his fault, hell it was no oneÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s fault, ever. No accountability.
Willie Randolph has all the negatives of Joe Torre, who is also poor at managing a bullpen. But he has none of the positives either. He is arrogant, terrible with the press and refuses to take any accountability.
If you have actually watched the Mets play all year, you would know that Willie Randolph cost us a handle of games with some awful decisions, in game and pre-game. Usually it wouldnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t be a big deal, except that this year the Mets lost the division by one measely game.So, he is good in the clubhouse and canÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t in-game manage to save his life. If you really think he isnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t to blame, my god, you didnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t watch all the times he put Mota in to face Ryan fricken Howard, or Show to A-Rod, or the times he sat Milledge for basically no reason, to teach him humility. Hey Willie, you have no humility so why do you expect it out of a full of energy rookie!
OK, Willie stays….I give him 1 more year. Now before we address the roster, the coaching staff needs to be addressed. I understand Jerry Manuel is gone for a college coaching job. Rickey Henderson needs to be fired along with Sandy Alomar Sr (whom might possible be the worst 3B coach I have ever seen). Peterson, Conti, and HoJo stays. So Omar & Willie need to get a bench coach, 1B, & 3B. I vote Mazzilli for one of those…
Although, I would like to have seen Willie do more hit and runs and squeezes, you can’t blame him on the pitchers being horrible. He can only use the players he has. I just hope Wilpon woke up and will allow Omar to spend the money to bring us the quality team we deserve (now I sound like his press release).
As I said yesterday Santana for the top of the rotation, Cordero for set-up man (and eventually closer) would be a start. Posada behind the plate and a younger Alou in left field would be a big help.
I think it might be time to change the hitting and pitching coaches. I also wonder if Keith and Ron would leave their cushy jobs at SNY to fill those roles.
Kalyan – are you nuts? every stat-head had Heath Bell as a stud? Not only is he not a stud now, but he will never be a stud. Secondly, no-one in baseball projected his good year…if so, give me citations….I’ll wait, go ahead look it up and give me citations!
BTW, I would like 1 person out there to refute me that a healthy Duaner Sanchez in the bullpen doesn’t change the whole dimesion of this ball club and probably give the Mets 90-93 wins….
Of course Willie should stay and there should not have been a 48 hour wait for this announcement.
That delay caused rumors and questions that were hurtful to the organization as a whole.
Perhaps the Mets should review their org chart so that there is no doubt where everyone stands and what their responsibilities are.
I’m with you Chili!! Let’s hope that “Dirty” comes back and looks as good as he did in ‘06.
You lost all credibility possible within the very first sentence of your post! I don’t know how many times you’re going to mention his arrogance and lack of accountability…but I guess you haven’t been paying much attention yourself. Post game remarks he REPEADTLY said that he takes ALL responsibility for what happened!!! And you question what we were watching!?LOL
John – Any word onthe coaching staff, Rickey, Petersen et al?
Chili: The two greatest predictors of success in the big leagues for pitchers is K/9 and K/BB. Both of those for Heath Bell were outstanding. This is just a fact: the correlation for success as a MLB pitcher is tied to your K/9 and K/BB. His BABIP were terrible, suggesting he was very very very unlucky. I felt that given a true opportunity to succeed, Bell could have succeeded. Remember, Mota got all those opportunities. Knowing what you know now, and even ignoring Bell’s season: I’d rather have had Bell than Mota.
And Heath Bell is a stud right now. A 2.02 ERA, 102 Ks (30 walks) in 93 2/3 IP. He pitched in 81 games this year. I’m sorry, a 2.02 ERA and more than a K per inning and a better than 3 to 1 K to BB ratio? That screams “Next Closer for the Padres.” And who did we get in return, Ben Johnson? With our glut of outfielders we never needed him. Jon Adkins? Please. Terrible trade.
And before you try and say it was because he pitched at Petco: 49 1/3 IP 1.46 ERA!!!! 59-18 K/BB BAA .192.
What? You think this was a fluke? Look at his minor league numbers. He was used for mop-up duty.
John, one last complaint about Willie: He was in love with infield defense. That was part of the reason Gotay didn’t get much time in the field even with a banged up Castillo needing rest: infield defense was the be all and end all. But in late game situations with a lead: was Endy immediately inserted for Green or Alou? No. He completely ignored outfield defense, but loved infield defense.
You know what the biggest problem with that is? This team’s pitching staff wasn’t made to get groundballs. It is a predominately flyball tendency rotation.
Kaylan – where have I read that before?
I don’t know, I’m not Kaylan. I’m Kalyan. Seriously what is wrong with you people and names. It’s not like you have any clue to how my name is spelled.
A Heilman 7th, a Sanchez 8th, and a Wagner 9th changes everything for the Mets. This way Schoneweis, Feliciano, Mota, and Smith don’t get overexposed. A healty Sanchez get the Mets to October. Now with that said, after 2 shoulder operations, who knows if we will ever see a healthy “Dirty” Sanchez…
Santana: He would take blame for what happened, but when ever questioned about a specific move he NEVER would admit he made a mistake. He can’t handle being questioned for his mistakes when specifically called out on something. It’s nice and hunky dory that he takes blame for “it all.” That’s his job as the captain of the sinking ship, to go down with it.
But when people question your stupid decisions and you refuse to answer questions or get annoyed, as I have seen Willie do countless times this season, I get annoyed.
“Why did you let Mota pitch to Ryan Howard?”
simple typo Kalyan. Apologies.
John Delcos: What is the deal with Castillo all of a sudden being a negative influence on Reyes? He’s a guy who on one knee, always is hustling. He also was one of the few players that looked visibly upset over this two week dive. Has this guy been an “act” all year long?
Kalyan, you are right on the money. Join some knowledgable Met fans at http://community.livejournal.com/metsforum/
Here’s my grading of the 2007 team:
Minaya (D-) – ruined the bullpen and starting staff by getting rid of Bannister, Owens, Lindstrom, Ring, Bell (Omar should have had his bell rung), Bradford, Oliver and virtually got no one for the guys he traded away. Also foolishly let Flores, a good catching prospect, go to Washington. Castillo was a moderate coup, good second baseman but bad knees hinder his range and make the acquisition lukewarm. Getting back Marlon ANderson was a good move but why did he lose him in the first place? Depleted farm system where we now have one of the worst. Too much win now and worry about later later. Omar, it’s later, you are on the carpet and a similar performance in 2008 will merit a fireOmarMinaya.com movement.
Randolph (F) – totally failed as a manager. Lost Jose Reyes. Totally screwed up the bullpen. Left starters in too long. Never heard of the squeeze play. Screws up double switches. Is affected by Hubris disease. Never uses hit and run (Bobby Valentine, where are you?). Willie should be fired pronto and Girardi or Gary Carter hired.
Peterson (D) – other than fixing arm angles, the guy is useless. Fire him. About time he pay for Kazmirgate.
Henderson (F) – other than teaching Reyes that a full house beats a straight flush, a detriment to Reyes. Many caught stealings by Reyes and no steals the last couple of weeks. Fire him too.
Johnson (B+) – straightened out Wright’s swing and got him going again and for that, deserves a B+. Definitely should be back.
Other coaches – No rating.
Delgado (D) – Washed up. Also nursing a bad wrist besides the additional broken hand he sustained yesterday. Buy him out.
Castillo (B-) – Added stability at 2nd base but bad knees make his future very questionable.
Reyes (C-) – Biggest mystery of the team. Completely shut down both physically and mentally the last month or two. (1)Were the Mets trying to change the way he played the game? (2)Was it a personal conflict with Willie? (3)Did he get tired? (4)Was it something else? I doubt that it’s (3), Jimmy Rollins and David Wright, to name a few, played just about all their games and finished with a flourish so why shouldn’t Reyes?
Wright (A-) – A 30-30 guy with over 100 RBI’s. Cabbrera may be a slightly better hitter, Zimmerman may be slightly better defensively, but Wright is the best 3rd baseman overall. His throwing at times is erratic but he can improve that with hard work.
Alou (B+)- Only his durability gave him a lower grade than an “A”. Tremendous hitter, Slow in the outfield but sure handed and accurate arm. I’d sign him for one more year.
Beltran (A-) – Another 30-100 season. He may strike out in some key situations but if it wasn’t for his play, they wouldn’t be in position to have a key situation. I admit I was down on the guy for always begging out with various hurts but when the Mets were slipping, he played hurt, you could see he was hurting, and for that, my admiration. Glad he’ll be back for next season.
Green (B-) – Lack of power but was pretty steady otherwise at bat. Age plus defensive liabilities against him but as a bench player and part time player would sign him for 1 year.
Milledge (B+) – Had a good offensive season for a rookie and can play the field. He shows a little Milton Bradley/Gary Sheffield with his antics and sometimes doesn’t hustle when he should (Willie asleep at the switch on this one) but can sure spark a team. Should be regular right fielder next season.
Gomez© – Great speed, great defense, but so far, not much offense. Might need at least another season in the minors to see if he can pick up offense.
Bench (B) – Chavez, Anderson and Easley, before getting hurt, was a good bench. Conine, like Franco before him, a total bust. Gotay, before Castillo came along, hit very well but afterwards, hit poorly.
LoDuca© – Didn’t hit as well as in 2006, lost his temper and hurt the team with his wild eye attacks on the umpires, getting thrown out at the most inopportune times. Probably won’t be back in 2008.
Castro (B) – Good offense but his durability has been a constant problem. But should definitely be considered for 2008.
Maine (B) – Great first half, faltered in second half for the most part but showed something by pitching a one hitter Saturday. Should be even better next season.
Perez (B) – Might be just a shade more erratic than Maine but has outstanding stuff when on and should be even better next season like Maine.
Glavine (F) – Met killer showed his true colors and his use of the word “we” when explaining the Mets loss in the last game instead of “me”, I wanted to punch him in the mouth through my TV. The sooner this guy is gone, the better.
El Duque (B) – When healthy, did a good job but is getting older and more injury prone. Might be betterc to use him out of the bullpen next year.
Pelfrey (C+) – Had rough outings to first time around for him but when he came back, showed a good slider and devastating fast ball that sinks. This guy will be a winner (my opinion)as soon as he gets more consistent, mouthpiece or no mouthpiece. Splits, get yourself one so you can get used to Pelfrey having one.
Pedro (B+) – considering what he went through, amazing he’s pitched as well as he has. Also loved his anger about what happened to the Mets when interviewed in the clubhouse. One more season for him.
Humber (?) – no rating since he only got one start and was left rusting on the bench by Willie and Peterson.
Bullpen (D) – Wagner faded badly in the stretch, which has been his story just about every season, Sosa, Heilman erratic. Mota a complete bust. Sele a complete bust. Schoenweis only had a good September but where was he the rest of the season? Feliciano got tired and was less effective at the end.
Mr Met (F) – Laughing when Mets were getting blown out in last game. Fire him!
That’s about it. I’m sure I missed some and I’m also sure that they’ll be differences of opinion. Bring it on folks!!!
Sanchez would’ve made a difference, but they never adjusted for his absence. No reliever was added to take his place after they found out he’d be gone for at least most of the season. And Willie never defined roles for any reliever besides Wagner. Heilman should’ve been the guy in the 8th until he lost the job, but he got used all over the place. It seemed like Willie just had names in a hat for his pitching changes. And why was Sele on the team? He went months at a time without an appearance.
Sanchez, Sanchez, Sanchez. Give me a break!! He was just a hope. He had an injury that NEEDED surgery and they decided to try and rehab it without surgery. They knew he was a big question mark before spring training. They had time to shore up the bullpen. The mistake was in not realizing that they needed to. They thought Schoenweiss and Mota would be reliable and they were wrong. Shoenweiss is somewhat useful if he is used mainly against lefty batters. Mota was just bad. They miscalculated. I’ll tell you what gets relief pitchers worn out. Not being able to get anyone out.
Peterson was not to blame for Kazmir. Please read the book (I believe it was Rubin at the News) on the Mets and discusses that issue. He was asked simply if he thought Zambrano could be effective, and he said he thought he could fix him.
Leiter and Franco were the ones who cried to Wilpon about Kazmir and the radio. Blame them.
By the way, Peterson fixed Perez, who won 15 games this year, and Maine, who most fans never heard of and who won 15 games with a bad hip, including the 1 hitter on Saturday. So I think he has some talent.
And ranking Carlos Gomez as a C and Reyes as a C- is so utterly silly I cannot come up with words to describe it.
Taylor – Sanchez had had surgery. He did not need more until he threw a pitch and a new injury (a possible side effect of the original surgery) occurred.
Yes, he was a hope, but he did not just rehab his original injury from the cab accident.
Chili: Sure a healthy Duaner Sanchez changes everything. However, until Sanchez gives them a full season I am not assuming anything.-JD
Ed,you’re entitled to your opinion. Why don’t you address it intelligently if you disagree instead of the juvenile “silly” remark you dug deep to come up with??
Ed, my mistake. I remembered it incorrectly. Sanchez however shouldn’t have been expected to pitch as dominantly this season as he did in the 1st half of ‘06. He was pitching a bit over his head don’t you think? He had never been that good before and was already regressing to his previous levels after a ridiculously good start. Of course he would have been light years better than Mota and would have made a huge difference.
lennynyr – correct, I am entitled to my opinion. In my opinion the grading was utterly silly.
Here’s my “intelligent” reply
Gomez – 232 avg, 288 obp% 304 slg% 27 k’s in 125 at-bats (21.6%)
Reyes – 280 avg, 354 obp% 421 slg% 78 k’s in 681 at-bats (11.4%)
What in those numbers suggests Gomez is a better player than Reyes?
Reyes had an MVP caliber 1st half. He was one guy who was consistently good from April through August. He happened to slump in September.
Gomez is young and needs a ton more seasoning. A 304 slg % is not good for a corner outfielder. The guy looked overmatched consistently. He had a nice stretch when he first came up for about a week. Then he regressed. It was expected, and I do expect good things from him as he matures. He was put in a very tough spot being called up this year when he was not totally ready for it. I don’t blame him at all.
Taylor – yeah, he might have regressed, but you are right, he would have probably been better than Mota.
Hopefully he is rehabbing well and can contribute next year.
lennynyr, without trying to be insulting, how can you give Gomez the same grade as Reyes? He was pretty bad all in all.
Regardless of how well Sanchez MAY have pitched, he didn’t pitch at all, and they knew he wasn’t going to pitch BEFORE SPRING TRAINING WAS OVER!! I think from then until the trading deadline was a long enough time to realize he wasn’t sitting in the bullpen.
Before even addressing the Willy situation they should have fired Rickey Henderson an hour after Sunday’s game. I absolutely did not see what the heck he did besides chat with the fans in the couple of rows behind the Mets dugout. I am in part blaming him for the decline in Jose Reyes’ play both offensively and defensively. As a matter of fact, I am blaming Rickey for the lathargic, non-chalent play of the Mets the entire month of September. I certainly pray to the Baseball Gods not to see him coaching the Mets at all.
As for Willy, I think he is a winner and I think he helped turnaround a losing franchise. That said, this debacle at the end calls for change. I personally do not like his in game decisions and Willy playing his entire bench on the third game of a series once the Mets have won the first two games. All those “meaningless games” he gave away all came back. I do hope the Mets come in with some hunger and dont feel just because they have more talent than their opponent they dont need to play the game. Games are not won on paper, they are won on the field.
Does anyone know why the Mets didn’t resign Darren Oliver? I know they felt Bradford was too expensive but to this day I have neither read nor heard what happened with Oliver…did he just retire??
Ed, grading is for an individual player expectation, not all players held to the same standard. Reyes got a C- for playing well below his standard for the last month or two.
Gomez gets a C because he came up as a good field, great speed and not much of a hitter and he has played that way.
To Steve: That came from left field to me, too. Luis Castillo a negative influence? Let’s see, he played hurt. He hustled. He bunted. He played good defense. Yeah, I can see where he was a negative influence. Makes no sense. Castillo should be brought back.-JD
John: all the defensive metrics paint Luis Castillo as now below average with the glove. He’s lost a lot of range because of injuries and is riding on the reputation he built in Florida. Do you ever feel that sportswriters are sometimes too attached to the reputations of players defensively?
I honestly think Gotay might be ready for the job full time at 2B. With all the great work Alomar Sr. has done with Reyes and Wright on their fielding, maybe Alomar can help out Gotay.
And Castillo isn’t getting any younger.
Pam: After a horrible start, Oliver settled down to have a good year with the Angels. He had a 6.26 ERA heading into July, but finished the season at 3-1 with a 3.78 ERA. Oliver was a key member of the bullpen last year, and in hindsight this was a mistake considering he only made $1.5 million this season. OliverÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s versatility this season was missed.-JD
Too bad in spring Oliver will be 37. I would have liked to see him back again. He was solid the time he spent in NY.
Pam ,Darren Oliver I believe is on the Angels (another playoff bound team, go figure) and did not fare well. I may stand corrected, I believe he is a starter?
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