SS Jose Reyes
2B Ruben Gotay
3B David Wright
CF Carlos Beltran
1B Carlos Delgado
LF Moises Alou
RF Shawn Green
C Paul Lo Duca
P Oliver Perez
Is Castillo still battling that injury from last week or is this just a day off?
Speaking of days off, Mike Francesa had a good suggestion for Willie: Let Reyes play 9 tonight, then rest him till Friday night. He’d have nearly 48 hours to take a break, and he’d only miss one game. Definitely looks like he could use a breather.
ugh. delgado is back in the 5 hole? I think they should have left him in 6th for now. thats just my 3 cents
Did Milledge do anything wrong? Is his knee hurt from last week?
I know a lot of people are going to be somewhat irritated about the fact that Milledge isn’t playing as much as they had hoped, but Green has looked good at the plate lately while Milledge has just had problem making contact. Plus, Perez is a flyball pitcher and while Green may not be as fast as Milledge is, he takes much better routes to balls.
Does Green have pitchers of Willie having bathroom sex with a senator? I… it just gets more ridiculous every time I see a line-up with this choice in it.
I’ll reiterate from another thread:
Since the All-Star Break…
Lastings Milledge – 135 AB, .296/.342/.444, .787 OPS
Shawn Green – 127 AB, .268/.329/.362, .691 OPS
AND Milledge is three times the fielder Green is at this point in his career. AND he runs about twice as fast.
It’s like having eight arms and tying one behind your back.
Steve C: Against righties Delgado is batting fifth. Against lefties he’s hitting 6th. Ever since the Philly series I believe.
Castillo is probably getting the rest today cuz Willie is planning on resting Reyes tomorrow. Castillo can then lead off tomorrow.
Delgado hitting fifth, against a mediocre rightie in a bandbox… it’s at least arguable. That’s all I ask out of a line-up choice, really, that it’s arguable.
And, yeah, I really hope Reyes gets two days off in a row between tomorrow and the travel day. Dude needs it.
Plus I’m always happy to see Gotay get some cuts in. Castillo probably deserves the majority of the starts at second when his bat is hot but…
Gotay deserves as much time on the field as can be manufactured for him as well.
I think the platoon is going to be Veterans in the early half of the game. and in the later half bring in Chavez/Milledge.
depending on the hitting pitching. Thats my take on it..
Willie a few weeks ago basically said Milledge was his starting RF, so I have to think he did something wrong, because clearly he isn’t.
Steve, I’m pretty sure a few things go into why Milledge hasn’t been starting lately.
1) He has struck out 13 of 27 AB’s
2) His routes to balls are not that impressive in right field just yet
3) Green hits righties well. A .307/.354/.459 line, so why not platoon?
No, Mike C, Green does not have compromising “pitchers” of Willie. This is what he does have against righthanders since the all-star break:
And this is what your boy Milledge has since the all-star break:
Facts are facts. Milledge is worse. I’d have problems if Willie didn’t play Green against most righties at this point in the year.
Sam: where did you find those stats? Can you give me a link? Thanks
green is not a better defender then milledge dont care how good his routes are.
The Other Steve: I think you are correct. But i was hoping it would be 1 degree more. Righties 6th and lefties 7th ;-]
that was my perfect world when he wasnt producing. If he keeps it up then ok he’s all fixed. But we need to see more consistency from him. I still cringe with RISP and he’s up at bat. :-\
Steve, I just went to the Mets official page at MLB.com, added up Milledge’s last few games and clicked on Green’s splits stats.
As for Delgado, the guy has hit 3 homeruns in 4 games and come close two other times so I don’t see why anyone would argue putting him in an RBI spot against a rightie who isn’t that great.
We need Ollie to try and utilize his slider a little today. get it low and keep these balls in the park. The Reds are not as good against lefties so this is our game to lose.
Steve C: I am starting to cringe less and less! The Mets need him to be the Delgado of last year’s playoff run. On another note, you can register for the chance at Post season tix at Mets.com!
For those that want not quite ready for prime time kids playing everyday in September join the Pirate, National, Royal, or DevilRay nation. For those that want to win today and tomorrow, stay here. We’re doing just fine.
And the only thing Milledge did wrong was not make adjustments when the league started pitching him curve balls low and away. Until he learns to lay off or adjust he’s not going to play much. Willie gave him the job and he gave it back.
Why does the earlier poster have to make accusations such as blackmail?? Is that ok Steve without the C?
Mets 101, I agree. Milledge is the overall better defender. That said, I think at this time, Green is just a better RIGHT-FIELDER. Milledge needs some work and Green, while he is kind of slow at times, doesn’t give me a heart attack each time the ball is hit to him. Plus, again, the game features a right-handed pitcher, and Green hits better against them. If Milledge showed a little more power, I bet he would be in the lineup.
my take on many stats: they are deceiving especially when you take into account they are prepared with Innings played etc.
a player hitting 3 home runs in 4 games after doing next to nothing all season is just that… players get hot. then they need to stay hot, if this was a flash in the pan it doesnt do us any good. a team needs consistency and it needs to move the runners. if a player cant get it over the fence anymore then go for the long single/double and move the bloody runners.
“Keith” and other excellent players will say it time and time again. sometimes you have to change your hitting/pitching when you no longer have the power or ability anymore. It doest make you a bad player age makes you have to shift and change and be different. The key is to be consistent.
Delgado hitting homeruns is wonderful. but waiting for them is torture. I rather see him hit singles all day long and hit 15 homeruns a year. than to see what happened the last 3 months. maybe I am wrong, but its my 3 cents. :-)
Thanx for listening..
I don’t agree with that comment either Hollywood, but I have to ask… why does that comment bug you so much? I mean, why do you care?
Steve C: I think alot of people forget that Degado had an excellent July and was doing very well in August before he got hurt. It’s just that it took him 5 games to get his groove back and he was in alot of situations where he just killed the team. I think Delgado has been back myself since July.
Steve: I beg to differ slightly. His July was good. but he had NO August. and he is only waking up in Sept. He left way too many runners on base. I miss very few games since getting the dish and having access to all the channels that play them, to my wife’s dismay. Delgado all in all has been a very sub par player. The issue was many of the heavy bats were also in a slump. but when they broke out delgado remained in the slump.
Its been my feeling , and others’, that he was/has been playing with an injury. But if this is the end of the slump. AMEN!
Steve C: In his last 11 AB’s before the injury he was 5 for 11 with a homer, 3 rbi, a double , and 3 runs scored. Overall he was hitting .277 in August. Check it out.
Okay, JK… at least we’re getting back toward coherent territory here… progress.
Your argument is that Green’s .742 OPS versus righthanders since the All-Star Break is better than Milledge’s .683… which it is, slightly.
Green has, we’ll say, been a 6% better hitter for onbase and power against righties over the last three months.
It’s not the most useful basis of comparison but at least it’s coherent.
That’s two of the five tools. In two of the five tools, in the very isolated situation of righthanded pitching situations, Green has been six percent better.
Green is a butcher of a fielder, has a below-average arm and has below-average footspeed.
Milledge is an above-average fielder, has an above-average arm and above-average footspeed.
Does a six-percent advantage in the ability to reach base and attain extra bases against righthanded pitching ALSO outweigh the rest of Milledge’s advantages as a player?
And, as I say, factor in that Milledge can only get better with more experience at this point in his career and Green can only get worse with more experience at this point in his career.
In this total picture of the two players, even with the agreed to offensive statistics, it isn’t even close.
Now. Beyond this.
Willie is LEAVING GREEN IN against left-handed relievers… and Willie is bringing in MARLON ANDERSON as a defensive replacement over Milledge, Anderson being an amazing pinchhitter but a bungler in the outfield of near-Green proportions.
Is it comic exaggeration to suggest blackmail? Sure.
That’s half the fun of the internet.
But it doesn’t make the situation any whit the less ridiculous.
Don’t give Francesa credit for an idea that I and the other Met beat reporters have been writing about for the last three days.-JD
and his overall was what? .242 if that. like i said stats are just that stats,. I am sure you will see his Hitting into a DP % way up! he was doing that alot. regardless, he was probably playing injured the whole time. the team suffered for it. ok his hitting % you say was good. what was his OBP? in the 2’s as well. Things got so bad. when they had a rally. he took the walk all the way because even he knew it was too important to risk swinging the bat. :-\
Stats are tricky things… they can make anyone look great or look bad. it depends on the eye of the beholder. I look at the whole package. defense offense. if you cant hit then you better well be the best Baseman in the game. e.g. Ordonez. and hwne he started losing his defense where did he go? no where, because he couldnt hit. Delgado doesnt and hasnt ever played a good first base. but as everyone says he’s all we have. oh wait Green did ok. and so did marlon Anderson. and thats when De;gado woke up. he saw he was replaceable. ...
listen i just hope he stays hot. i want the mets to win.. end of story.
Mike C is on crack. Green is better vs righties. 59 points better in OPS means alot Better.
Steve C: He was up to .254 actually with his highest OPS of the year before he got hurt. I’m not trying to manipulate the stats, believe me. I just think his awful start and his horriffic slump when he came back after he got hurt in August is making you forget! :-)
Nope. i didn’t forget his horrible slump that lasted the whole season. ;-p
I honestly think we have alternatives to first base men.
but if he’s finally hot. then yay for us.
Mike C: I told you this same thing yesterday. But you tried to make all sorts of excuses why righty-lefty strategy doesn’t count. It does. A lot. And any manager with half a brain will tell you that. And Flaco is right. You must be on crack. A 59 point advantage in OPS and a 46 point advantage in OBP is big.
Steve itmbothers me for several reasons but the main one’s are these:
While I know fans who go to the game have a right to boo, it does make an impact. Do you think visiting players that come to Shea and here our regulars get booed off the field will want to play for us when their payday comes? Not if its equal value. Well the comments that people like Mike C incite the booing. and he isn’t even paying his way into the park. It starts things off on a bad foot and you guys can’t argue your stats or strategies when the beginning of the argument is based on crap. And then people like me blow up and go gaga…
Second that attitude of being hostile for no reason is spreading throughout our society. It leads to hatred and violence to others. Kids see this crap and repeat it and becomes their norm. And on and on. \\
Mike C can disagree with Willie all he wants, but daily he adds name calling, and all kinds of derisive stuff in his writings about Willie, Green, Mota, Sele etc that are emblematic of the downhill spiral our society seems to be going thru.
Enough You got the drift…...
Milledge is not an above average fielder, but rather, below average. A major league outfielder should instinctively know what routes to take, which bases to throw to…bottom line, a mastery of the fundamentals. Milledge has above average speed an arm, but that does not make someone a good outfielder.
While Green is rather awful making dives, he’s otherwise quite solid in the fundamentals and has much better speed than he ever gets credit for. The confusion rests with someone who has long legs and strides as does Green, hence takes fewer strides, vs. someone with far shorter strides – Milledge, for instance – who needs more strides to cover same distance. People mistakenly confuse taking more strides – but shorter ones – as being fast and covering more ground when that may not be so. I have no confidence in Milledge in the outfield and as this team fights for playoff spot, it’s best he’s not out there.
Our favorite subject of the day and year is of course Milledge.
So I will indulge this boring conversation we have had for the past several months with the same and different players.
Milledge strikes out. A lot. Since the middle of August he has many multi strikeout games.
Milledge is not a good fielder. While he makes the occasional spectacular play in the field he also has no clue where the ball is going and so all his athletic excellence makes him a very ordinary at best defensive outfielder. He has a gun for an arm and too often guns the ball to the wrong plate.
You can contrast him with the other young outfielder who played this season – Cargo. While he had a period at the beginning of his tenure completely being completely overwhelmed at the plate and being unsure in the field, he turned into an adequate player at the plate and a very good fielder for us. He picked the ball up made the correct throws and played good D. Contrast this youngster to Milledge who has yet to figure out how to play the field. Consider that both were originally CF. Milledge has much to learn and hope he plays winter ball so he gets the much needed experience both at the plate and in the field.
I wont even mention other reserve outfielder who is arguably the best defensive OF at any OF position in the game.
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