Welcome back to Mets Chat Room.
OK, who thought the Mets would be playing today to avoid a sweep? Your thoughts on Oliver Perez. The play. Whatever is on your mind, and, of course, the game. Talk with you throughout the day.
Looking at the record Wagner has pitched 2 innings on 4/24 against Colorado (1 run) and 6/25 against St Louis (0 runs). Randolph must have figured he can go 2 innings once every two months. Recent performances suggest he has a sore arm but he was rested for 5 days.
If you had asked 100 Mets fans before the game you had Orlando Hernandez pitching and the Mets would score 10 runs, how many would say “guaranteed win” and how many would say “how did we find a way to lose”?
Don’t think anything will ever replace the choke job at the end of the 1998 season but this could if a September free fall happens. Pedro Martinez is now set up to be the cavalry riding to the rescue.
the 1984 Mets may not have had any business competing but never did the Cubs. the 1985 September collapse was more aggravating because Ed Lynch decided to pick a fight with Mariano Duncan, got injured, didn’t tell anyone and pitched poorly.
Billy Wagner needs to make a Labor Day resolution: I will pay attention to runners on base. Jayson Werth stealing bases? He isn’t Reyes or Ichiro. Also did anyone from the dugout or infield go out to talk to him during the 8th and 9th inning. Maybe he doesn’t like it but sometimes you have to make sure his head is in the game.
Jayson werth isnt the slowest of players… He can move and when you dont have anyone paying any mind its a bit easier. I think the thing between wagner and burell is all mental now for wagner. The two hate each other and burell has gotten the best of him a few times now, and it will only continue. You’ve gotta love this game!
Steve: You asked me if the Phillies were impressive.
They have a closer who actually gets the job done, whether he pitches one inning or two.
They have corner outfielders who make great plays.
They have hitters who actually get two-out RBI hits.
They have marginal pitchers who dig deep and figure out how to step it up.
They have a star shortstop who backs up his talk with his bat.
They have a first-baseman who steps up his game when it’s on the line.
They have one corner outfielder who has been a thorn in our sides forever who is having an MVP second half.
They have another who has been a perennial castoff who’s playing his butt off.
They’ve got a clutch second baseman who got key hits when it mattered.
They have a backup second baseman who was a starter with another team, but is happy to help out and when he does, he has killed us.
They have a team with pride, heart, moxie, resiliency, resourcefulness and plays with a refusal to lose.
I knew a team like that once.
They were the 2006 Mets.
But that team let its guard down at the worst possible time, underestimating an opponent it should’ve wiped the floor with, but instead was upset by.
And instead of playing completely enraged and focused this year, as they should be, by last year’s bitter elimination on a rainy night in Queens, with the singular mission to avenge that defeat, they’ve played as if they can magically flip a switch and become what they once were.
We may be in first place now, but face it, we’ve been reduced to being the third-best team in our division.
We’ll likely be out of first place by the day after Labor Day – and we don’t deserve to be there now.
We don’t have a bullpen. We have a sieve.
Do you honestly trust anyone in the bullpen with any lead?
We don’t have a fifth starter. We have a cipher.
We’ve got a right field platoon of a has been and a struggling youngster.
We have a streaky hitting, injury-prone, weak-armed left fielder.
Our first baseman is having a career-worst year.
Our catcher is having an off year with the bat and can’t throw out any would-be basestealers.
We have a starting rotation of struggling seniors and youngsters trying to find their way.
We have a manager who defies logic by pinch-hitting a slow-footed, double play-prone, .270 hitter with a 2-for-21 lifetime mark against the pitcher he was facing, instead of a line-drive hitter currently batting .340.
We have a general manager who dumped Heath Bell, who we could surely use in our bullpen now, for nothing of value. Brian Bannister and his 11 wins would sure be nicer to have at the back end of the rotation than the epitome of talentlessness, Brian Lawrence, but our general manager traded him for a reliever who just had Tommy John surgery.
And what do we have facing us in the next four days?
*Another Mike Pelfrey outing
*A burned out, unreliable closer who’s unavailable for the next two days
I dearly love the Mets but absolutely abhor the way they’ve played for most of this year.
The only reason we stayed in first place in June was that our competition was also playing badly. But September is different. I have to be realistic – the Phillies will win the division and Arizona or San Diego will win the Wild Card.
The comebacks yesterday mean nothing.
Winning a game would have.
Championship teams find ways to get it done, even under duress.
And this year’s Mets rarely have at any time this year, in any game against any tough opponent when anything important was on the line.
The Mets are excellent at talking about what they need to do. But on the field, they can’t do it.
This year’s Mets are not now, nor this year will they be, a championship team.
And it breaks my heart.
The Phillies also have Charlie Manuel at the helm. Randolph’s decision to bring in Wagner was questionable (Although I thought it was okay..bring in your best). Manuel’s decision to intentionally walk Reyes was bizarre all belief.
But if this team blows it (I don’t think they will. The Mets have played well when it looks like they are gonna collapse) there are some people who have some ‘splaining to do. Minaya is at the top but Randolph is on the list.
...but on the bright side:
– The offense still works – We definitely now know that Wagner can’t go past 1 inning – Of the remaining 29 games, the Mets play 19 games against teams that are 10 games or more under .500 (while the Phils play 13/29 and the Braves play 12/28) – Pittsburgh isn’t one of them – The Braves are still in 3rd place – The Phils are still in 2nd place – The Mets are still in 1st place – The Mets still have that fight in them to come back from the brink – Half the bullpen did their job (doo dah, doo dah) – If you are reading this, you’re still alive…and so are the Mets
Ouch.. the Mets are fading. They can’t win in Atlanta. Their bullpen stinks. Time to send Wagner back to the farm, with the cows and goats…They have no killer instinct. Did you see the look in the eyes of the Phillies.. They were determined to not be beat. This may be prejudiced, but I think we have too many latino players. Like in soccer, when the going gets tough, they get out.. Ok.. there may be an exception or two. When will Delgado stop swinging at a low and inside curve with the count 0-2 or 1-2.. Yep, maybe Johnson isn’t a good hitting coach either. To lose 4 to the Phillies showed me alot. They don’t have it.
Wildcard? They are toast.
Werth stealing? Good point. Is it arrogance, or bad baseball, and whose fault is it> Waas amazed at the meltdown, simply amazed,
The shine is off Minaya. Speak spanish? you can play for us!
So pat Burrell gets to the plate and looks like Joe Dimaggio. He is TOO COMFORTABLE. What would Bob Gibson do? Throw inside, high and tight! maybe clock him.. Give him something to THINK ABOUT. Not on this team of multimilliionares. Mets played scared. No guts. Football starts soon, at least optimism until the Patriots come to town
That is pretty harsh. True but harsh.
I guess I’ll stop watching cause the Phils will win it.
Even tho we got swept, the Phils did not outplay us. A hit here there sure. but this easily was a split. Things didn’t go our way.
The sun will come up tomorrow.
C,mon guys – it’s a GAME!!!
Take a step back, relax and enjoy the Mets or whoever.
It’s like Billy (above) said, come winter you will be longing to see any kind of baseball.
Those are truly the dark days – not now, when the sun will come up tomorrow – cue the kids from ‘Annie’ :)
Gil I understand. But probably if a little squib goes foul, or Marlon makes a clean slide, maybe the Mets get out with two or three of four wins. The Mets bats were off the first 3 games. Are you really scared of the Phillies pitching? Their bullpen is just as bad and really, Myers did blow that save the other game. Our SP is better overall. Step off the ledge. All will be ok.
Steve, in response to your last comment, I’ll now share with you wise words my dad tells me after hearing me go into woulda-coulda-shoulda mode:
”...And if elephants had wings, they could fly.”
Here’s another saying: “Keep the faith!!!”
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