Greetings all. Welcome back to the Mets Chat Room.
There’s a lot to tallk about. The bullpen. … Tom Glavine Day. … Paul Lo Duca: Dumb or gutsy?
Just throwing some things out there, but go with your comments and questions during the game.
Number one on my mind is Omar has to get rid of Mota. He’s got nothing when he isn’t on steroids. How many more games is he going to f&*^ up before Omar sees the light? He’s a total waste.
If a rookie screws up I can take it. But when a steroids cheater given a 2-year contract screws up it makes my blood boil. Sorry, but I can’t vent enough about this loser. He disgusts me.
Willie’s just managing this team into the ground.
Letting LoDuca play and re-injuring himself?
Starting Green over Milledge?
Overusing a fragile Castillo instead of Gotay?
Using Mota and Schoeneweis in anything other than blow-outs?
Madness and gibberish. Terrible gibberish.
Omar has basically done everything right except for trading away the back-end of the bullpen in the winter and picking up busts like Mota and Schoeneweis but…
Willie and his Proven Veterans™ are just dropping probably a game a week at this point.
Mike C, why are you pouring teflon on Omar? Who signed Alou and traded for Green? Who signed Schoeneweis and brought back Mota? Who decided it wasn’t wise to resign Bradford? Who traded for Loduca who is killing the team this year more than helping? Willie didn’t do any of this. It was Omar.
JK: Mikey C just hates Willie. It doesn’t matter what the situation. According to Mike C Willie just can’t suck enough. And Mike C was so fast to blast the Castillo trade, now that Castillo has shown even Mikey C that he is a true # 2 player he is Fragile Castillo that Willie is screwing up. I think Mikey boy dreams about Willie. Its an unbelievable hate fetish that I think many shrinks would love to study.
New day… Looks like Cy Young is back on the mound for the opposition. I think we’ve faced Cy about 80-90 timnes so far this year.
Welcome back Mike C. I hear Willie has a seat for you on the bench so you can teach him about baseball.
Its time LoDuca goes DL. He plays hurt and does not complain which is admirable, but he needs rest cause we need him behind the plate. Castro is a fine hitter in spurts but does not have the arm or quickness.
It was a nice pregame show. Tom said the right things and I thought he touched on his somewhat rocky relationship here very nicely. It was nice to see Tom Terrific™ get love from the fans.
Terrible to see a hr right off the bat from Ollie.
Speaking of Glavine day. Other than El Duque he has been our best pitcher in the past month.
I am curious what those out there who wanted to tar and feather him are saying now? Tom looks very focused and now that the weight of the record is off I look forward to having him show the young guys how to pitch.
As I write this Alou just hit a 3 run homer. When he is healthy he has a great bat. Hopefully our offense gets it going now for the second half.
I know not many are going to like this thought, but if Alou finishes this season strong and has a hot playoffs, I can see the Mets bringing him back. Not saying they will, but given their track record, I can see it.-JD
getting that sinking feeling again…......
This goes out to Matt, who asked whether I think the Mets believe they can turn it on and off. Yup, that’s the perception I get. They keep saying ``we’re in first place.’’ Several guys – Wagner and Glavine, for example – will admit the team doesn’t always play well. From other guys, Wright for example, I get a lot of ``if we play the way we’re capable of we’ll be all right.’’ I don’t see any urgency.-JD
This team needs a leader.
Who do you suggest?
Alou is good when he’s healthy… Bradford, if you’ll note, is almost as terrible as Horror Show or Mota on his new team…
Green isn’t bad as a bench player, he’d be a solid left-handed pinch-hitter… he just isn’t an everyday outfielder in anyone other than Randolph and Green’s minds.
Ditto for Anderson, good bench bat, he’s just not a starter. Hell, even Castillo would make sense if he was only started against lefties and then a pinch-hitter/pinch-runner/defensive replacement.
Omar brought in these guys and they’d be very solid bench-depth veterans… it’s Willie pretending they’re still starters that’s the problem.
Omar’s big mistake, yes, was trading away Bell and Ring and ending up with Mota and Schoeneweis and… it HAS killed the bullpen depth this year.
But other than that, this is mostly on Willie’s buhtarded refusal to give young position players the playing time they deserve in comparison to guys who were great five years ago and are now… merely okay in the case of Castillo and his bad knees or simply washed up like Green.
this team doesnt need a “leader” that craps overrated. we need guys who could hit with runners in scoring position, and pitchers who are consistent and dont give back leads every other inning.
great thrid so far for the mets hitters though
John, if the Mets bring back Alou next year as a starting outfielder than I will stop rooting for this team. The team needs to get younger and more energetic. You’re not going to have all this fire and energy everyone wants and blames a lack of on Willie with a collection of old farts. Alou has only 2 HRs at Shea this year including today’s. That is pitiful. Here’s what I wish for next year’s opening day lineup:
I am not sold on Gotay, Gomez or Castro as starters. I just hope that any alternative player obtained as a free agent or in a trade is younger than Castillo, Alou, and Lo Duca, none of whom they should bring back. I like Castillo, but he doesn’t have the range he once did, and as a free agent this winter will probably get at least a 3-year contract.
Bradford has a 3.33 ERA pitching in a bandbox with the DH in the American League East. How is that nearly as bad as Mota’s 5.40 ERA and Schoeneweis’ 5.10 ERA accomplished at a pitcher’s haven like Shea? Can I have some of that stuff you’re smokin’?
To JK: I hear you. I’m saying I wouldn’t be surprised.-JD
Castro out with back discomfort. Oh boy.
Hey Mike C…
How do you know Geen would be a good bench player. He’s never been one. And Marlon is being used as a part time player, one who by the way got to play regularly down the stretch and merely carried the Dodgers into the playoffs.
Oh, we don’t want to know that, it would get in the way of your mind set that Willlie sucks and you don’t.
Ramon Castro out of the game with lower back discomfort. He has to be down for a couple of days.-JD
Correct me if Im wrong, John, but lower back discomfort for our starting catcher means we will be seeing Alomar Jr very soon
Hi John –
OT—I’m watching the PGA from Tulsa where John Daly lost a ball in a tree, Sergio Garcia was DQ’d and has gone home because he signed an incorrect score card yesterday and it is 101 degrees.
Tiger tees off at 3PM with a 3 stroke lead.
What did the Mets give Tommy? A contract for next year?
The last real ‘team leader’ of the Mets is working for SNY these days. Glavine, Delgado and Wright lead by example, but the best help for the team would be to see Pedro back in New York.
Is Willie aware of the blog? Would he answer a few questions for us? One?
To NCMets: I wouldn’t be surprised if Alomar was on the way to the airport right now.-JD
There isn’t a person on this team who can be that leader IMO. Wright is too young, and the rest don’t have the right personality. And yeah it does matter. If you have a talented outspoken guy, they have a way of making people raise their game. Don’t tell me Pete Rose didn’t get more out of his teammates b/c of who he was.
And by the way, Castro is a nice backup, but I never want to see him as the everyday catcher….he does not call a great game.
JD, yeah I know that’s what you meant. I just think it would be a huge mistake to bring Alou back even if he were to suddenly heat up.
I used to think that Castro could make it as an everyday catcher. But with his bad back issues, which seem to be recurring, maybe he is not. His bat also fades when he plays many games in a row. Omar needs to come up with some answers for 2008 that are better than what he did for 2007.
I hope he manages the minor leagues and roster spots a little smarter too. Why was Jesus Flores allowed to be selected in the rule 5 draft? Why did he trade Bannister for someone so underwhelming as Burgos?
I’d accept Alou coming back next year… if only because Gomez’s hand injury has probably set him back a half a season.
But they’d better be smart enough to not get ANOTHER corner outfielder, finally accept that Milledge is the future of this ballclub.
I’d also be fine with one more year of LoDuca, but only if they get Paul and Willie to admit that Paul’s largely in there to call pitches and bat his regressing banjo eighth.
And when Alou invariably went down and Gomez came up, I’d hit Gomez seven and bump Gotay up to six, I suppose.
Burgos has so much more upside than Bannister, JK.
Burgos was looking quite good before his injury, he could well be the closer whenever Wagner hangs up the spikes.
Bannister will be a solid #4 starter for a long time to come, sure, but frankly a solid #4 starter is a lot easier to find as a free agent than a potential closer.
Thanks for the info about Bradford. Too bad Mike C won’t read it as it shows his absolute ignorance of antything he doesn’t make up.
And Mikey boy (or girl or both), Burgos may have upside but he stunk before he went down. And Dr Mike C. Did you see the X rays on Gomez? Wow, you should be on SNY, no ESPN because you are more full of crap than anyone on ESPN.
Pedro is the leader. I think Jose will eventually emerge as one.
Mike C, why do you say Burgos has upside? Every stint he’s had in the majors has been a failure or underwhelming. In the meantime, Bannister has so far aced his major league test.
You can call Bannister a #4 or anything else you want. It’s really meaningless. What’s meaningful is right now he’s pitching better than Maine and Perez. He certainly has more upside as a starter than Sosa, Lawrence, Park, Dave Williams or Vargas. He’s pitching right now like a #1 or #2.
JK: Do you know you are trying to argue with a wall?
Mike C is a Royals fan. He loves Gotay, Burgos and Chip Ambres. 3 Royal rejects…....
Think we can finish the year with a 2 man bullpen? Sosa and Wagner and pray for a lot of rain shortened games!
JD: Do the Mets have apartments or condos for the guys to stay in who come up in mid season?
I would love to have Alou back, even if it was for 80 games. That gives Gomez a chance to play and shine ala Thrilledge. John, what is the chance of the Mets picking up Ronnie Paulino?
Gomez will be traded in the offseason I think for pitching. The Mets will sign a Dye or that Fukedome guy from Japan. Gomez will be traded like Hanley was from Boston for Beckett. Then Gomez will go on to star like Ramirez has.
Mel: It’s like hitting my head against a wall.
I agree with you about Pedro. He brings energy and life to the team. I am looking forward to his return. My distaste for the old farts like Alou does not apply to pitchers who can perform. I don’t have problems with the older pitchers on the team. It’s not their job to be energizer bunnies and spark comeback rallies.
did u see Alous 2nd bomb?
NCMets, that’s just his 3rd HR at Shea all year. Is that really enough for a starting leftfielder? He’s underperformed all year. This is just his 22nd RBI of the year. I’m happy he’s been the difference for today’s game. But signing him for next year just puts the team at more risk for an injury filled season and underperformance from the leftfield spot. Besides, he’s a bad defensive outfielder. I swear, if they sign this guy again, I’m not going to root for this team next year. At least I’ll take 2008 off.
Then youre not a true Mets Fan.
I beg to differ. I think anyone who roots indiscriminately just for laundry is not a true fan.
The problem with Alou is not just his skimpy performance, but he’s part of the malaise that infects this team.
And if you root for Mota just because he’s wearing the laundry then you are not a true fan.
Mota blows, Ill give you that. But Mo is a hitter. Granted, he is not always in the lineup. But when he is he hits 300 and drives in runs. You cant tell me Mo doesnt perform. Mota doesnt perform.
You can’t really judge Alou’s effectiveness since he’s still recovering from the DL injury. You can’t look at numbers and say he’s not performing. He hasn’t had a chance to perform. If you want to knock Alou, knock him on his fragility, not his hitting. He’s always proven he’s a good clutch hitter when he’s healthy.
Want to look at the reasons why this team is not playing up to par, rewind and look at the graphic of Reyes’ batting average. When they win he’s hitting over .335 when they lose I think it said .265. Reyes needs to get back to thinking about playing the smallball game his speed is perfect for, not the “chicks dig the longball” game. He needs to out there and be a doubles, triples hitter. Then the team turns around. Set the table and let the big boys bop ‘em out.
I agree with you about Mota, JK.
If there’s a true jerk or a “convicted” cheater on your team, you don’t support him just because he’s on your team… you root your team on to get rid of the bum.
But I don’t think Alou is necessarily a lazy player, I think he’s just an old injury-prone player trying to protect himself physically, perhaps too much.
But… no… I’m not enamoured with the idea of ex-Royals.
I’m enamoured with the idea of fresh young players who can only improve as opposed to fading former stars who can only get worse.
NCMets, Alou has a lower batting average against righthanders than does Green. His batting average with runners in scoring position is .184, which is why he has only 22 RBIs the entire season. So don’t tell me Alou performs. He certainly doesn’t perform anywhere near the level he did when he was younger and there’s no reason to expect him to at his age. He certainly doesn’t perform at the level a leftfielder being paid $8 million should.
But as I said, his skimpy performance isn’t the only problem. This team is so laid back it’s not funny. They are comatose sometimes. Alou is part of that problem.
I want to amend what I said earlier. I don’t really mean that those rooting just for laundry are not true fans. Maybe I should have said they are not “good” fans. My point being they are a little blind when it comes to rooting.
For example, if Omar were to bring in Clemens next year, I could not stomach him. I know Omar wouldn’t. Just giving you an example.
8 mill for a starting LF is cheap
Mike C, I never said Alou was lazy. My point is that older veterans just don’t have the desire, the fire, and the physical energy that younger players do. When you fill your team with so many older farts, then that team is going to take on the personality of an old fart. I realize that is a little bit of exaggeration, but I don’t think that is far off.
Sam G, Alou has been underperforming all year long with runners on base. This is not new. And how can he not be recovered from his DL injury? He was out for more than 2 months. If he can’t recover from that injury in 2 months than he shouldn’t be on the team next year. And if he’s not recovered yet, he should be back on the DL.
I would not mind Alou coming back. Just so it is clear that he is an 80 game player and not a starter but a platoon player. I would also be open to some other corner OF to replace LF.
Hopefully Milledge stays, but he needs to work on his game esp D. Winter ball would be good for him and the other young OF/pitchers.
Omar traded Bannister for Amby presumably because Rick could fix a reliever with heat. I liked Bannister last year. He came in and helped. It was Omar’s call, so far it hasn’t worked.
It’s actually $8.5 million. For 22 RBIs in mid-august, that’s expensive. Terribly. Even an average replacement level player would have more RBIs.
Young players who get dumped by the Royals have no upside. And mediocre young players do not improve. That’s why the Royals dump them instead of playing them until they reach their walk years. But you knew all that and were just funnin with us right MikeyC?
And a question for you; in one note you say youre ok with Alou and LoDuca coming back and then you say you are opposed to “fading former stars who can only get worse.”
Alou and LoDuca will kiss you for saying they are young.
Oh you just funnin us again right Mikey?
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