Comments on: Best and worst Mets trades http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2007/07/31/best-and-worst-mets-trades/ All about the Mets Tue, 17 Nov 2009 07:08:38 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Matt http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2007/07/31/best-and-worst-mets-trades/comment-page-1/#comment-31940 Matt Tue, 15 Jan 2008 15:41:21 +0000 http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2007/07/31/best-and-worst-mets-trades/#comment-31940 Amos Otis for Joe Foy Jeff Reardon for Ellis Valentine Dykstra for Juan Samuel Ryan for Fregosi Although Staub was a good player who single handedly beat the Reds in the 73 playoffs, the Mets gave up way too much to obtain him. Had the Mets made no trades in the early 1970s, they would have been a much better team. Amos Otis and Singleton in the outfield, Foley at shortstop, and Ryan as the fourth starter. I get mad just thinking about it. Amos Otis for Joe Foy
Jeff Reardon for Ellis Valentine
Dykstra for Juan Samuel
Ryan for Fregosi

Although Staub was a good player who single handedly beat the Reds in the 73 playoffs, the Mets gave up way too much to obtain him.
Had the Mets made no trades in the early 1970s, they would have been a much better team. Amos Otis and Singleton in the outfield, Foley at shortstop, and Ryan as the fourth starter.
I get mad just thinking about it.

]]> By: Mike http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2007/07/31/best-and-worst-mets-trades/comment-page-1/#comment-16480 Mike Thu, 02 Aug 2007 00:26:57 +0000 http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2007/07/31/best-and-worst-mets-trades/#comment-16480 Great list!! One of the all time greats was Davis Cone from KC in exchange for Ed Hearn. Great list!!

One of the all time greats was Davis Cone from KC in exchange for Ed Hearn.

]]> By: Tom http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2007/07/31/best-and-worst-mets-trades/comment-page-1/#comment-16447 Tom Wed, 01 Aug 2007 19:53:48 +0000 http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2007/07/31/best-and-worst-mets-trades/#comment-16447 Dan, I totally agree on the Ojeda deal. And I agree with you that Mitchell was no choirboy. But the idea that part of the reason he was moved because he was a bad influence on Straw and Doc doesn't really hold up. They seemed to implode fairly well on their own. If Doc's right, that is a pretty awful thing to have done and I'd love to see him in the same cell as Vick. Then again, I don't know how credible Doc is. But all I can say is, Ojeda was fantastic for the Mets. And so was Shiraldi, he just did it in a Red Sox uniform. Dan, I totally agree on the Ojeda deal. And I agree with you that Mitchell was no choirboy. But the idea that part of the reason he was moved because he was a bad influence on Straw and Doc doesn’t really hold up. They seemed to implode fairly well on their own.

If Doc’s right, that is a pretty awful thing to have done and I’d love to see him in the same cell as Vick. Then again, I don’t know how credible Doc is.

But all I can say is, Ojeda was fantastic for the Mets. And so was Shiraldi, he just did it in a Red Sox uniform.

]]> By: Dan Gurney http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2007/07/31/best-and-worst-mets-trades/comment-page-1/#comment-16428 Dan Gurney Wed, 01 Aug 2007 15:30:54 +0000 http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2007/07/31/best-and-worst-mets-trades/#comment-16428 Tom, you forget that plenty of other teams decided after two years they could function without Kevin Mitchell. Other than the MVP season, he wasn't that good. Also if Dwight Gooden is right, Mitchell is a sick demented human being who cut off the head of his girlfriend's cat. I can do without such slime on my team. Go join the National felons League and play for the Atlanta Dog-Killers. You are mostly right about McReynolds but he had a number of teammates like Hernandez and Carter push him for MVP in 1988. That caused Strawberry to get in a fight at team photo day in spring 1989 because Strawberry blamed them for his not winning the MVP. Another good trade. Bobby Ojeda. Also sent a scared Calvin Schlardi to Boston which doubly helped them win the series. Tom, you forget that plenty of other teams decided after two years they could function without Kevin Mitchell. Other than the MVP season, he wasn’t that good. Also if Dwight Gooden is right, Mitchell is a sick demented human being who cut off the head of his girlfriend’s cat. I can do without such slime on my team. Go join the National felons League and play for the Atlanta Dog-Killers.

You are mostly right about McReynolds but he had a number of teammates like Hernandez and Carter push him for MVP in 1988. That caused Strawberry to get in a fight at team photo day in spring 1989 because Strawberry blamed them for his not winning the MVP.

Another good trade. Bobby Ojeda. Also sent a scared Calvin Schlardi to Boston which doubly helped them win the series.

]]> By: Tom http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2007/07/31/best-and-worst-mets-trades/comment-page-1/#comment-16400 Tom Wed, 01 Aug 2007 03:44:21 +0000 http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2007/07/31/best-and-worst-mets-trades/#comment-16400 Great lists! But you forgot one awful trade: Kevin Mitchell and others for Kevin McReynolds and others. The Mets ended up with the wrong Kevin M. Mitchell went on to be an MVP while McReynolds was bland and uninspiring. Great lists! But you forgot one awful trade:

Kevin Mitchell and others for Kevin McReynolds and others.

The Mets ended up with the wrong Kevin M.

Mitchell went on to be an MVP while McReynolds was bland and uninspiring.

]]> By: dave http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2007/07/31/best-and-worst-mets-trades/comment-page-1/#comment-16392 dave Wed, 01 Aug 2007 02:38:45 +0000 http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2007/07/31/best-and-worst-mets-trades/#comment-16392 John, Nice list. And I agree. When we got rid of both CF shortly after the WS I knew something was up. John,

Nice list.

And I agree. When we got rid of both CF shortly after the WS I knew something was up.

]]> By: Dan Gurney http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2007/07/31/best-and-worst-mets-trades/comment-page-1/#comment-16385 Dan Gurney Wed, 01 Aug 2007 00:35:06 +0000 http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2007/07/31/best-and-worst-mets-trades/#comment-16385 Getting rid of Jason Bay for Steve Reed was a bad trade not much mentioned. Tommy Davis was hardly washed up but getting Agee for him was a good trade. It's not a trade but the Mets left Paul Blair exposed after 1962 and the Orioles selected him in the winter draft. Felix Millan and George Stone for Gary Gentry was a good trade. Gentry should have stuck to the greasy kid stuff. (Explanation: Vitalis had a commercial in 1969 where Gil Hodges sent Gentry to the showers for not using Vitalis hair ointment and being suspected of throwing illegal pitches). Al Leiter for Jesus Sanchez was pretty good. Getting rid of Jason Bay for Steve Reed was a bad trade not much mentioned.

Tommy Davis was hardly washed up but getting Agee for him was a good trade.

It’s not a trade but the Mets left Paul Blair exposed after 1962 and the Orioles selected him in the winter draft.

Felix Millan and George Stone for Gary Gentry was a good trade. Gentry should have stuck to the greasy kid stuff. (Explanation: Vitalis had a commercial in 1969 where Gil Hodges sent Gentry to the showers for not using Vitalis hair ointment and being suspected of throwing illegal pitches).

Al Leiter for Jesus Sanchez was pretty good.

]]> By: Metfanscomplaintoomuch http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2007/07/31/best-and-worst-mets-trades/comment-page-1/#comment-16370 Metfanscomplaintoomuch Tue, 31 Jul 2007 21:47:20 +0000 http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2007/07/31/best-and-worst-mets-trades/#comment-16370 Great call Steve. Grote was the perfect catcher for all the young pitchers. He was great behind the plate also. Parsons was not missed. Great call Steve. Grote was the perfect catcher for all the young pitchers. He was great behind the plate also. Parsons was not missed.

]]> By: Benwa http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2007/07/31/best-and-worst-mets-trades/comment-page-1/#comment-16368 Benwa Tue, 31 Jul 2007 21:30:20 +0000 http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2007/07/31/best-and-worst-mets-trades/#comment-16368 Trading Rusty Staub for a washed up Mickey Lolich, is a top 5 bad trade. Staub was still in the prime of his career and Lolich was one season and done in NY. Trading Rusty Staub for a washed up Mickey Lolich, is a top 5 bad trade. Staub was still in the prime of his career and Lolich was one season and done in NY.

]]> By: steve http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2007/07/31/best-and-worst-mets-trades/comment-page-1/#comment-16361 steve Tue, 31 Jul 2007 21:07:04 +0000 http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2007/07/31/best-and-worst-mets-trades/#comment-16361 Jerry Grote for Tom Parsons in 1965 was a great trade for the Mets. And I would put the Dykstra trade on the list as well for bad trades. Jerry Grote for Tom Parsons in 1965 was a great trade for the Mets. And I would put the Dykstra trade on the list as well for bad trades.

]]> By: Joan in CT http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2007/07/31/best-and-worst-mets-trades/comment-page-1/#comment-16360 Joan in CT Tue, 31 Jul 2007 21:00:31 +0000 http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2007/07/31/best-and-worst-mets-trades/#comment-16360 Hi John - First basemen Keith Hernandez and John Olerud were the best Mets for a long time - polar opposites, but excellent team players. No first baseman since comes close to either of them. You're right about Lee Mazzilli - the best thing about him coming to the Mets was his leaving - and oh what great guys replaced him. Mazzilli was a showboat, but Ron Darling and Howard Johnson weren't - they worked hard for the team and are doing so even now. Tom Seaver of course went on to win his 300th game at Yankee Stadium, but went into the Hall of Fame as a Met. Not sure he ever forgave the Mets front office for that trade. Interesting how David Cone makes both lists. Gary Carter had been a hero in Montreal and seemed reluctant about coming to the Mets. However, his exuberant style of playing was just what the team needed then. Not sure that the Mets management through the years has ever really appreciated some of the 'good guys' until Omar and Willie came along and showed them how. Hi John –

First basemen Keith Hernandez and John Olerud were the best Mets for a long time – polar opposites, but excellent team players. No first baseman since comes close to either of them.

You’re right about Lee Mazzilli – the best thing about him coming to the Mets was his leaving – and oh what great guys replaced him. Mazzilli was a showboat, but Ron Darling and Howard Johnson weren’t – they worked hard for the team and are doing so even now.

Tom Seaver of course went on to win his 300th game at Yankee Stadium, but went into the Hall of Fame as a Met. Not sure he ever forgave the Mets front office for that trade.

Interesting how David Cone makes both lists.

Gary Carter had been a hero in Montreal and seemed reluctant about coming to the Mets. However, his exuberant style of playing was just what the team needed then.

Not sure that the Mets management through the years has ever really appreciated some of the ‘good guys’ until Omar and Willie came along and showed them how.

]]> By: Metfanscomplaintoomuch http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2007/07/31/best-and-worst-mets-trades/comment-page-1/#comment-16359 Metfanscomplaintoomuch Tue, 31 Jul 2007 20:59:20 +0000 http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2007/07/31/best-and-worst-mets-trades/#comment-16359 Two great trades in the 60s. 1. Donn Clendeonon to the Expos for 4 prospects who never amounted to much. This one definitely was ket to 68 championship. 2. Before 68 season, Tommie Agee for a washed up Tommie Davis. Agee was probably best lead off hitter we had until HJose came along. I disagree about the Scott deal. He was a total bum on the Mets and would never have learned the splitter with us, so we were trading equals, one of whom went nuts for a couple years (but not a lot). Heep was a good 4th outfielder and PH. The Maine/Julio trade for Benson might turn out to be one of the best. If Maine prospers for several years its a great trade for Anna. Two great trades in the 60s.
1. Donn Clendeonon to the Expos for 4 prospects who never amounted to much. This one definitely was ket to 68 championship.
2. Before 68 season, Tommie Agee for a washed up Tommie Davis. Agee was probably best lead off hitter we had until HJose came along.
I disagree about the Scott deal. He was a total bum on the Mets and would never have learned the splitter with us, so we were trading equals, one of whom went nuts for a couple years (but not a lot). Heep was a good 4th outfielder and PH. The Maine/Julio trade for Benson might turn out to be one of the best. If Maine prospers for several years its a great trade for Anna.

]]> By: Benny Ayala http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2007/07/31/best-and-worst-mets-trades/comment-page-1/#comment-16358 Benny Ayala Tue, 31 Jul 2007 20:55:09 +0000 http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2007/07/31/best-and-worst-mets-trades/#comment-16358 Ryan was not only erratic, but he had just lost his #4 spot in the rotation to Jon Matlack. Among Seaver, Koosman, Gentry, Matlack, McAndrew and Sadecki, they certainly could afford to deal a struggling Ryan, especially for a power hitting, Gold Glove shortstop who was 29 and one year removed from an All-Star-calibre season. Ryan was not only erratic, but he had just lost his #4 spot in the rotation to Jon Matlack. Among Seaver, Koosman, Gentry, Matlack, McAndrew and Sadecki, they certainly could afford to deal a struggling Ryan, especially for a power hitting, Gold Glove shortstop who was 29 and one year removed from an All-Star-calibre season.

]]> By: murth http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2007/07/31/best-and-worst-mets-trades/comment-page-1/#comment-16355 murth Tue, 31 Jul 2007 19:52:39 +0000 http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2007/07/31/best-and-worst-mets-trades/#comment-16355 Great list. While I agree wholeheartedly with the placement of the Kazmir trade, the silver lining is it was the catalyst for hiring Omar. That certainly softens the reign of Zambrano the lesser. Great list. While I agree wholeheartedly with the placement of the Kazmir trade, the silver lining is it was the catalyst for hiring Omar. That certainly softens the reign of Zambrano the lesser.

]]> By: Bren http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2007/07/31/best-and-worst-mets-trades/comment-page-1/#comment-16351 Bren Tue, 31 Jul 2007 19:36:39 +0000 http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2007/07/31/best-and-worst-mets-trades/#comment-16351 Olerud and cash for Robert Person was pretty good too. What a tough guy to replace he turned out to be! Olerud and cash for Robert Person was pretty good too. What a tough guy to replace he turned out to be!

]]> By: NateW http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2007/07/31/best-and-worst-mets-trades/comment-page-1/#comment-16347 NateW Tue, 31 Jul 2007 19:11:49 +0000 http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2007/07/31/best-and-worst-mets-trades/#comment-16347 I'd contend that the Cone trade was a good one, its the Kent trade that was the mistake. Cone was on a team going nowhere and the Mets got two good prospects who were both major league ready. It would be like the Mets sending Gomez and Gotay for Garland in todays game. I’d contend that the Cone trade was a good one, its the Kent trade that was the mistake.

Cone was on a team going nowhere and the Mets got two good prospects who were both major league ready.

It would be like the Mets sending Gomez and Gotay for Garland in todays game.

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