Moises Alou played today as the DH for St. Lucie in a rehab game and went 2-for-3 with a solo homer, single and walk.
Hah are you sure you can rely on mr.pee hands for more than another 100 AB’s this year.
yeah him and pedro. sorry not holding my breath for either.
I am so happy I could pee on my hands.
Well if you’re not holding your breath, be prepared to continue to watch this team offense sputter.
its no coincidence that everything fell apart when Alou went down.
Dep, you are kidding right?
Not really. but maybe we just had a miscommunication, and if so, my bad.
It depends on what you mean by holding your breath.
I think all met fans should be, this guy is the key to our season. without him our offense has become mediocre. Personally I am holding my breath until he comes back! I think we should all be eagerly awaiting his return.
but if you’re point was like “I’ll believe it when I see it cuz he’s hurt so damn much”....then yea I fully agree, lets all cross our fingers and hope for the best.
My point is that we need him bigtime and we should all want him back very badly. Maybe i just misinterpreted how you meant holding your breath. no worries.
“My point is that we need him bigtime and we should all want him back very badly”
I couldn’t agree more, Dep. Anyone who doesn’t realize how important he is to the offense does not understand the situation correctly. He is a big time offensive player and the Mets are in desperate need of a big time offensive player. He changes the whole lineup in a way that Milledege, Green, Chavez or any of the other corner outfielders do not.
His skills before age and injury are desperately needed by the team.
However he is plagued by injury. I rather want the guys that are playing well to start playing better. This way, we WONT need HIM so much because we WILL have the offensive players we so desperately need. We have a big “question mark” at first base. The consistency is that there is no consistency so when a ball flies at him you hope he catches it, when he swings at the ball you hope he hits it and not into a DP.
He is singly now the only player NOT playing to his potential.
Everyone has had they sputtering moments and every one has been oh so critical of them but for some reason the 1st baseman has been given a pass this season for SUCKING lemons.
Steve C. That’s a little overstated don’t you think? Both Carloses, David Wright, Jose Reyes can all be playing better, not to mention one or two relievers I can think of. And, no way Delgado has been given a free pass. He’s been roasted here on a regular basis.-JD
“He is singly now the only player NOT playing to his potential.”
I think that statement is 100% incorrect. Do you really think Beltran is playing to his potential? How about Wright? Reyes?
I think you actually have it backwards. Delgado is a 35 year old first baseman who spent a lot of time on the turf in Toronto. Going forward, all you may get out of him is .250/25/90.
If Beltran and Wright picked it up, and if Alou was healthy then those numbers would not be as glaring from Delgado.
But when your main offensive players are struggling, and a third of the lineup consists of marginal offensive players like LoDuca (terrible this year), Green and Valentin then you have a problem.
This offense sure would look a lot better with Alou batting 6th, no?
I still don’t believe it. I think we need some video to prove it.
Seth: I’m not sure I believe it, either. But the Mets tell me it’s true. Or, as Madeline Kahn said in Blazing Saddles, ``It’s TWUU, It’s TWUU.’’-JD
If he’s truly healthy, he’s still a very good player.
The question is… is he truly healthy and will he stay that way?
If he is and if he can, the next question becomes… do the Mets have the guts to do the right thing and bench Green for the purposes of getting Milledge the playing time?
JR- who’s the stop gap? delgado.
EVerytime we have had runners in position who’s up to bat?
Delgado. or maybe i am remembering incorrectly. But it seems like everytime we had a 2 out wright/beltran/green on base.
Delgado came up and flied/popped out.
And Beltran never does that? Wright? Green has been atrocious offensively since he’s come off the DL, and LoDuca has been pretty lousy himself.
My point is not to defend Delgado here but to say that a) they need Alou’s help and b) Beltran and the rest need to step up as well.
You honestly think that Beltran is playing up to his potential?
Alou came out of the womb ready to hit, he doesn’t need much time to get ready if he’s healthy….that’s the question with him, health, not ability to hit.
What is Beltran’s potential? He’s averaged around a .280 BA and 100 RBIs/year for his entire career (based on 155 games played/season). Guess what? He’s on pace for 99 RBIs and a .258 BA this year. Certainly this is below his norm, but it’s not too far off that fans should be complaining the way some do. And his RBIs are exactly on pace for what he’s done in the past. Obviously expectations were raised due to his big contract, but they shouldn’t have been. A big contract doesn’t turn a player into a better player. Just a richer one.
So to any fan complaining about Beltran, why are you expecting more from him than what he’s produced in the past? Is that logical?
a bit offnote here, but JK, that is an excellent point, a contract does not turn a player into a better play, just a richer one. The Mets didn’t pay for what that contract is “supposed” to mean in terms of numbers, they paid for Carlos Beltran. I hate when people get down on players because of their contracts. What was Beltran to do? Say, “nah, I do’nt think that’s what i’m worth” of course not, he took the offer. When push comes to shove, its a team game and everyone needs to contribute and you can’t blame one guy.
The definition of potential = Capable of being but not yet in existence”.
Based upon the ability he showed last year when he hit 41 homers and drove in 116 runs I would argue that his “potential” is a lot greater than what he’s shown this year. I understand that his current season is matching up with his average year. But he has shown that he has the ability to do more.
That was the discussion, who is living up to his “potential”.
For those of you that listen to FAN in NY, Mike Francessa said today that he personally saw Alou and that he was absolutely healthy and just needed some games to get his timing back. It was his opinion that he would be with the team after the left coast trip.
Hear that Lastings, you need to do your thing on the coast now if you plan on sticking around!
Given that definition, then one will never know the true potential of a player. But lets assume for this discussion that Beltran’s true “potential” is last year’s production. Is it reasonable to expect that he should reach that potential every single year? Which player doesn’t fluctuate from year to year? Since all players experience fluctuations, is it reasonable to expect more from Beltran in terms of consistency than from other players? I think not. Mets fans should be happy that he had his most productive season so far as a Met.
I think the important question is what was a reasonable expectation for Beltran when he signed his contract. If someone says “potential” well than that’s open ended. That could be Manny Ramirez or A-Rod numbers but it wouldn’t be very reasonable for a player like Beltran. What’s reasonable are his career averages up to that point. And so far, he’s lived up to that. That’s my point.
Well that’s true. But you can’t equate “potential” with “career averages”. Is Beltran living up to career averages? Yes. To his potential? In my opinion no.
The problem with using “potential” as your criteria is that it’s subjective, arbitrary and open ended. It gives one license to criticize a player no matter what. And again, even if we assume last year was Beltran’s potential, is it reasonable to expect a player to reach that plateau every single year? Which player does that?
I think part of Beltran’s problem is he is not a NY guy. Last year he did well, but he needs to do well consistently. I would not mind 30-35 hr, 100 rbi 280 avg. Which I think is achievable for him.
The problem is that he doesn’t always seem comfortable and he seemed to need the other Carlos to take the pressure off him. You never know what a player can do until he gets here, but he is a team player not a star player.
dave, Beltran is on pace for 100 RBIs so you should end up happy. I agree that he succeeds best when there is someone else taking the pressure off of him, but that was the rap on him when he was in KC—and that he wasn’t a leader. So this shouldn’t have come as a surprise to most fans. Maybe it’s disappointing but it shouldn’t be surprising.
“Delgado. or maybe i am remembering incorrectly. But it seems like everytime we had a 2 out wright/beltran/green on base.
Delgado came up and flied/popped out.
So he has 0 RBI this year?
No, he has 50.
I agree he is not hitting as well as we have come to expect.
However, he has looked better lately.
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