Pitching is always a good thing to talk about. John Maine was superb. But what about the rest of the rotation? You comfortable with that?
And, I know you can’t be comfortable with the outfield.
Name the priority: Another starter or an outfielder.
An outfielder should be the first priority.
We absolutely can’t start the second half with Ricky Ledee or David Newhan starting in left.
And why didn’t Chip Ambres get called up? His .282 BA and 13 HRs at New Orleans seem more worthy than anything Newhan’s done.
Also, with Ramon Castro’s potent bat, has Willie ever considered carrying three catchers so he can pinch-hit?
I’d really hate to see Omar go out and get a guy for the rotation if everyone is going to be back right after the break. Sosa and Perez should be right back in it, and with Pedro coming back, I think it is a bad idea to go after an arm, especially if/since a) its only a rental, and b) we have to pay through the nose, and c) there is little available talent out there that would actually be an upgrade. If you do go get an arm, and Pedro comes back, who gets bumped from the rotation? Do you go 6 man? Who are you going to get that is going to be good enough to bump the top 4 guys out? When Pedro comes back, its kind of obvious that Sosa would have to be the one to move to the pen, and even that move happens with a bit of reservation. but then who? Perez? Glavine? Maine, our best pitcher? I guess it would have to be El Duque, but that too is a very tough sell…
As far as an outfielder… again, what happens when everyone is healthy? What do you do with Alou and Green? When Endy and Gomez come back its easy – you send Gomez down. but if you give up guys to get an outfield bat, what do you do with him when the vets get healthy?
I say wait as long as possible to do anything… it’s not until we have this team back together that we will truly know our needs or if we actually have any.
If anything, you pick up Marlon Anderson off waivers and you strengthen the bench. Keep Newhan at AAA and give Franco the gentle nudge into coaching for the stretch run. I liked Marlon when he was here. He did a good job. Wouldn’t mind having him back.
Better yet, 60-day DL Franco with a wrist injury or something. That way he can be with the team and not take up a roster spot for players or coaches…
If you trade the future for a rental on either a starting pitcher OR an outfielder and you DON’T make the playoffs? You’ve screwed the team for the next three years.
Call up Milledge as fast as you can, yeah DL Franco so they can carry three catchers and then… make some small deals for bench or bullpen pieces.
Cross your fingers and hope that Beltran and Delgado look healthier after the break.
I don’t think you want to give up anything of value for a quality outfielder, when that’s the position of greatest organizational depth, unless we’re talking about paying 40 cents on the dollar for a three month rental.
From what we’ve seen, I don’t think there’s much doubt that you go into ‘08 with Carlos Gomez starting in RF. If you pick up an outfielder to whom you have to pay starters’ money next season, you lock yourself into trading Milledge, though right now, you’re not going to get full value for him.
As for pitching, I’m OK with a deal for a Zambrano type, but to give up big-time prospects for a middle of the rotation guy would be foolish. Middle of the rotation guys, we’ve got.
I don’t think the priority is either, John.
I think a more important thing to get is a top notch close the door reliever. The bullpen in my opinion needs some help and it needs pitcher I can have confidence in like Dirty Sanchez last season.
Whenever he came on the mound, I’d sit back, kick it, and relax.
You are not going to get a Sanchez type reliever unless you give up the farm. He was a closer type.
Since Milledge went 2 for 5 with a homer it is time to bring him up. If he can hit the ball down there he can do it here.
We only have 2 OF and no one to give someone a day off.
Oh and Chavez will probably return when Pedro does. Alou will make it back a week before the post season.
As I’ve already posted here, I’m partial to pitchers – they either drive you nuts or amaze you. However, I think the Mets have a good complement and a good mix of pitchers now – don’t forget Pedro.
So, what we need is an outfielder and perhaps also a ‘role player’ type who could also catch when Lo Duca’s temper goes out of control.
its either an OF or the bullpen but starters are fine…infact if/when we make it to the playoffs we’re gonna have a problem with whos gonna start if everyones healthy (Pedro)....ppls feelings might get hurt because frankly maine and perez have been better than duque and glavine this yr and glavine and duque dont deserve to start a playoff series. either way i guess its a good problem to have IF they make the right decision and forget about players feelings for the sake of winning
I’m with the majority on this one – we don’t need a starter or an OF. (ideally, we are getting back Perez, Sosa, Pedro, Williams, Milledge, Alou and Endy – logjams!) Of course, if some reliever just happened to be available that could help the team, I would think Omar should jump on it, but I’m not so optimistic about the availability of relievers for the right price. That said, I’m thinking that Williams in the long man role could give the team a much needed boost in that department.
What’s going on w/ Sanchez? Is he still on target for August or are we assuming he’s done?
Milledge needs to get enough ABs to be ready to step in and have his chance to shine—or flop. Newhan can keep a seat warm on the bench for 3 more days while Milledge gets 6 days of minor-league games. If Milledge flops then it’s time to consider trades for OFers.
The worst SP has been Glavine, followed closely by Hernandez. Bringing in another SP pushes someone else to the BP—and the other guys are the ones performing most consistently! Let’s see if Pelfrey’s got enough to hold down a spot for another game and put some pressure on or is seriously short of ready. Perez and Sosa should be back after the ASB and both are doing well. Waiting for Pedro doesn’t even factor into it—there aren’t enough good options at reasonable prices.
The bullpen could use some improvement. (Is there any sign that Sanchez will pitch at all—at any level—in 2007?) Moving Schoeneweiss to “situational lefty” would help, particularly for road games. (What is it about Shea for him, anyway? Is his hand “coming out of” an especially helpful background?) Other than thta, maybe Heilman will find his annual bout of spectacular Summer concentration.
yeah, going and trading for an outfielder or pitcher is a mistake when we have the guys already on the team. What happens when people get healthy? Maybe if we weren’t in 1st place I’d think to make a move like that, but why panic when we’re in 1st and we’ve haven’t been playing up to par? We get a couple pieces healthy, guys start coming together, and all of a sudden we’re back in control of the division, in tune to a 5+ game lead. I agree that bullpen help will be needed, unless both Mota and Heilman turn it around. Both looked better for a stretch, but both seem to have that ability to totally implode at any time as well. Either way, you don’t go out and make some stupid trade because a couple guys are injured. Let this ride out and see we’re were at.
Definitely bullpen. That’s where the more glaring need is and you should be able to get a decent arm from some team out of the race without paying too much in terms of prospects. Lets think about who is out there who we may be able to get.
Taking a look at the standings, there are 9 teams who are double digits out of the wild card in their league. Can we consider these teams “out of it”? I think I do. These are the teams (games back)
White Sox (11.5)
Kansas City (14)
Tampa Bay (16.5)
San Francisco (10.5)
There have to be veteran relievers on these clubs who the teams would move to get back a decent, but not star prospect and save salary.
Omar go get some outfield help!! I think the pitching will come around once Pedro gets back.
Millege already opening his mouth in Binghamton. After he struckout for the 2nd time he started yapping at the pitcher. To me Milledge is another Carl Everett or Milton Bradley. He also K’s at much higher rate than Gomez has this year. I wouldn’t be shocked if Milledge hits .220 with a ton of K’s when he gets back.
Hopefully Omar and Willie can corral his mouth. Right now we need him today or in a week.
He has speed, some power and and arm. It would give us about a month to determine if we need to get someone.
Right now we have no OF Alou is a no show, Gomez is done, Endy may come back. Right now we have 2 OF.
That is our biggest weakness right now. Fielding a legit lineup.
If the Mets are serious about not trading the future then all we can get are subs or very back of the pen relievers unless someone wants to do a salary dump for nothing, like Green was last year. If there’s a salary dump outfielder or 2nd baseman, take the chance. No good pitcher will be dumped.
If Pelfrey somehow miraculously turns the corner and starts pitching well enough to string a few wins together and Ollie returns in a timely fashion, then I’d say there’s little to worry about—then Pedro’s return would be icing.
Not to belabor the Maine-ain’t-goin-to-the-All-Star-game point, but Maine deserves a break rather than slaving for the likes of La Russa. What could he possibly glean from his brief encounter with La Russa other than how to mix the perfect martini and step on the gas at the same time
Go for the outfielder.
If we can get quality pitchers in exchange for Heilman and/or Schoenweiss, then great, but I doubt it.
Hang on to Smith. Just a gut feel. I have this fear that Smith will revert to April form the second we trade him.
I think Pelf is a non issue here. He is clearly not ready for prime time. He needs time in the minors to figure out how to control the pitches Rick wants him to throw.
if Sosa and Ollie come back soon we are good with the starters. Our pen is weaker but servicable.
Smith is a keeper. He seemed to get his pitches up yesterday and needs to keep them down. He is a young rookie. Give him time. Perhaps in the minors.
What about a minor deal for the White Sox’ OF Scott Podsendnik? He’s a stolen base guy, plays decent defense and could bat second or eighth?
He sure as hell is a better option than Newhan. Ledeee may be useful coming off the bench.
A Podsednik move would be strictly stopgap and because he’s fallen out of favor with Ozzzie Guillen, might come cheap.
Actually, I’d love to land him as part of a larger deal for Javier Vazquez, who has been pitching very well this year – his win-loss record is deceptive.
What seems to be flying under the radar screen here is the idea that Gomez’ injury will likely curtail Omar’s ability to trade Milledge, particularly if Alou is still questionable.
If Omar now has to keep Milledge, he’s essentially lost his best trading chip.
that is a good idea. It depends on what Omar wants to give up, but we do need help in the OF. Someone who plays D is preferable.
How can you guys be comfortable with Jorge Sosa? He’s due to fall back down to Earth.
Sosa is doing a nice job as a 5th starter. Once Pedro returns he can slide into the bullpen.
Podsednik is on the DL.
Sorry, Gomez needs more seasoning. He looks way overmatched at times.
Mike – Oh, so Milledge yapped at a pitcher. Were you there, or was this reported somewhere? How do you know the pitcher didn’t mouth off to him first? Or that the reporter didn’t embellish the story. Some reporters like to enhance Milledge stories you know. (Not you John :))
As for his K rate vs Gomez, Gomez has struck out 26 times in 108 at bats. How is that a good rate? Milledge had 39 in 166 at bats last season with the Mets. That’s basically the same rate. Milledge also had a SLG% of 380 vs 333 for Gomez.
Ed: Y’know, just when I read he’d come off the DL, now – after reading your response to my post – I’ve dsicovered he was put back on.
Guess he’s no option.
And Benny, Milledge’s diminshed trade value caused by his own injury and Omar’s diminshed ability to move him because of Gomez’s is definitely NOT under the radar.
We’re at a distinct disadvantage in the trade market, as our only chips are an 0-6 rookie pitcher and another minor league pitcher (Humber) I’d rather they hold onto.
If Omar’s known for his creativity, he’s gonna have to get hella creative to get us some parts we definitely need.
Otsuka, if his forearm is OK, is the guy I’d want.
Before the Padres traded him to texas for Chris Young, I watched him here in San Diego completely shut down opposing hitters.
By the way, one more thing: Yeah, the Rockies kicked our asses the other day, but at least we’re not this year’s White Sox, now losing 20-10 at home to the Twins.
Bullpen help is the need. A backup outfielder would be a nice to have.
Yes, Endy and Alou could come back, but how effective will they be? With Endy, you have to worry that his leg could bother him the rest of the year (same for Alou), and frankly he is not a full time starter.
Green has tailed off a bit, so that is a worry.
But the bullpen is the place I hope Omar will focus his efforts for now. Plus, a move there should not cost a big trading chip as opposed to a starting pitcher, which would more than likely cost Pelfrey or Humber + Milledge.
We are going to need to replace Green and Alou next year.
Milledge is one replacement.
Gomez may not be ready to be the other. I like him, but he needs more AAA time. He has looked very overmatched. A lot of his hits are infield or bunts. That’s not going to get it done over the long term.
I’m not sure who the FA outfielders are this offseason, maybe the other comes from there?
Gomez’s hitting will benefit from playing Winter Ball and getting intense tutoring there and in Spring Training.
You’re right about replaing two outfield positions, but there are other positions we’re going to have to replace: 2B, as I don’t see Valentin being re-upped, and Glavine will probably retire (and I’m not so sure I automatically re-sign him).
And why MUST Milledge be one of the outfield replacements? Why not attempt to trade him and some other parts to Toronto for Alex Rios?
Why not go all out to sign free agents-to-be Eric Byrnes or Ichiro? (Can you imagine Jose and Ichiro back-to-back at the top of the lineup?)
Question: If the Mets were able to obtain someone like Gagne or Otsuka, who from their current roster would go? Certainly, they’d be keeping Wagner and Feliciano; Mota and Schoeneweis have multi-year contracts that will be impossible to move; Sele or Williams will likely have the long-man role in the pen; that leaves Heilman or Smith.
Granted, they could send Smith back down to the minors or unload Heilman when his value is down, but I don’t see either as an optimal move.
At the end of the day, the bullpen arms are there—they just need to start pitching up to their potential.
BennyA, if “Sele or Williams will likely have the long-man role in the pen …” obviously then the one to go is the one who lost the long-man role. The Mets just brought up Dave Williams and he has no options left, so he has to stay with the team. Willie has rarely used Sele, even in long lost games. When either Perez or Sosa are ready to come off the DL, someone has to go and that has to be Sele. If the Mets bring in another pitcher, there’s no room for Sosa either. That will be a nice situation when Pedro returns.
You say we need bullpen help. You also say Endy and Alou are concerns when they get back ( I kinda agree there ). So why exactly do you care about the bullpen if we only have 2 OF?
Unless of course you know about 3 we have that I do not see. Also it is no guarantee that Milledge will be effective. Hopefully he can fill a fulltime role this season. But we have no one to play OF right now.
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