Comments on: Mets Chat: Are the Mets too soft?

By: kranepool

kranepool — Fri, 15 Jun 2007 20:18:25 +0000

If the Mets are “soft” then the whole league is soft as well. The Mets have more antics in the dugout after HR’s than Ringling Bros and so far no one has retaliated. In fact the Mets fall under the “let sleeping dogs lie” banner. I do agree that if they were so upset over Kuo and Penny then something should have been done other wise shut up!

By: Steve C.

Steve C. — Fri, 15 Jun 2007 19:38:47 +0000

Wright – actually yeah maybe sitting him would have helped.
luckily he broke out before that had to happen. i dont think writes avg ever dipped as low as delgado. the only othe rmet to have a worse Avg. was ray ordonez.
but he was an effin GLOVE. but no bat.. :-(

So if sitting isnt an option what do u do to light the spark?

By: Ed in Westchester

Ed in Westchester — Fri, 15 Jun 2007 19:34:03 +0000

Steve C – I don’t care how good Franco looks, he can’t get around on a good fastball anymore. The only thing he is good for is PH, and even that at times is tough since he can’t hit a good fastball unless it is a mistake (see Johnson, Randy)

As for a brawl, it isn’t necessary, though a look of fire might help. A few close pitches, a little swagger after a HR. Something subtle.

By: Ed in Westchester

Ed in Westchester — Fri, 15 Jun 2007 19:31:48 +0000

Steve C –
Beltran’s slump isn’t over.
PLD is cooling down.
Green is just back from the DL, but looks good.
Wright is the only consistent guy right now.

I’m not saying Delgado has busted out. I just am not in the camp of sitting a guy when he slumps just to see if it will get him going.

You brought Delgado’s fielding into play (no pun intended). When Wright was struggling and made a couple of errors, do you think he should have been benched?

By: Steve C.

Steve C. — Fri, 15 Jun 2007 18:40:24 +0000

‘86 mets were effin party animals. I would hear stories from my friendss in queens and long island. about Keith having to help carry fellow teammates home..
cause lets face it Keith was party god on the team.

and tough. could you imagine someone getting in Carter’s face? as nice a guy as he was/is.. i dont think getting him angry would be good.

but i dont know ..l i think loduca/wright/franco can brawl.
look at franco’s pipes. dude he’s bigger than half the team.
do u honestly wanna get hit by that?
for a 50 year old guy. he’s in damned good shape.

By: ajsmith

ajsmith — Fri, 15 Jun 2007 18:17:56 +0000

As to fighting, this is a veteran team, for starters, and also not a team made up of particularly tough guys – or even big guys. Delgado is somewhat imposing, and LoDuca (who stands about 5’8) is feisty, but beyond that, no one. You think that Franco, Glavine, Green, Easley, Reyes, Beltran et al want a piece of somebody?

So, unlike the ‘86 squad, I don’t think that this is a squad that’s looking to brawl.

At the beginning of the season, I made the point that the ‘86 Mets came into opposing parks with the attitude that they were going to kick your ass on the field, beat the crap out of you if you resisted, and leave the stadium with your girlfriends to go out partying.

The ‘06 Mets came in with the attitude of – we’re more skilled than you are, and we’re having waaay more fun than you… don’t you wish you were on our side?

Perhaps a brawl brings the intensity back – and it would certainly provide a release for the fans who are sick of watching the team lose and lose soft – but perhaps also they get their butts kicked, and end up with both injuries and suspensions.

More likely, the team would benefit more from a group outing on an off day… renting out a bowling alley or something, and getting back to having fun together (which seems to be missing a little right now.) If I were less charitable, I would have suggested shuffleboard, but I won’t go there.

By: Steve C.

Steve C. — Fri, 15 Jun 2007 18:11:32 +0000

Ed have you been watching all the games? everyone’s slump is over.
Delgado has yet to break out.

By: Ed in Westchester

Ed in Westchester — Fri, 15 Jun 2007 17:58:33 +0000

Delgado should not sit. He should hit lower in the order (7th, or dare I say 8th?).
He should DH tomorrow at the least (day game after a night game).
Sitting him will do nothing, especially when the alternatives are not much better.

Steve, should Reyes sit because he didn’t make a catch the other night on PLD’s throw? Should Wright sit when he makes an error?
I agree Delgado has slumped at the plate, but you brought fielding into the equation. All players make errors.

By: Steve C.

Steve C. — Fri, 15 Jun 2007 17:47:52 +0000

agreed action when necessary.
so how do you feel. should delgado sit?

By: Greg C

Greg C — Fri, 15 Jun 2007 17:10:39 +0000

Steve C
I agree and there are instances where action is required no doubt but I am speaking to the team as a whole and the overall big picture – that even in the success of last year seemed lacking (especially compared to those Keith/Darling teams). There are times when you have to do those things and I would back em up every time but I dont think that is bigger issue IMHO but I think we are in agreement on the need to take action when they should point.

By: Jim Fels

Jim Fels — Fri, 15 Jun 2007 16:46:43 +0000

I think the Mets are too nice. I often think of David Wright and Jose Reyes as nice kids. Sometimes I feel the same about Beltran. Delgado is a bigger man but he comes across on the mild side also. We need an enforcer. Edgar Renteria got drilled last week. On his attempt to steal second base, he planted his elbow on the second basemans jaw knocking him for a loop. We need some of that. It’s too bad we play at the stadium tonight. I’d love to see the rocket get nailed just for being there.

Jim

By: Tasan

Tasan — Fri, 15 Jun 2007 16:37:41 +0000

~chris in japan

dude i know who karim garcia is…the point is do you know who said “who is karim garcia?”...

By: Steve C.

Steve C. — Fri, 15 Jun 2007 15:55:07 +0000

ok just check mets.com. sue me. i made a slight assumptiomn and was made an ass for it. man enough to admit it. so now be a fan and admit when a player needs to sit.

By: Steve C.

Steve C. — Fri, 15 Jun 2007 15:52:19 +0000

i knew newhan went down. when i didnt see gomez i figured he went down too as they were discussing. him being a rookie and all. ok so i was wrong.

jr- at least Franco hits and catches the ball.

By: jr

jr — Fri, 15 Jun 2007 15:50:33 +0000

Gail you are correct. I’m not sure what Steve C was getting at there. But then again he seems to think that Julio Franco is a better option at 1st than Carlos Delgado.

By: Gail

Gail — Fri, 15 Jun 2007 15:42:03 +0000

Steve, I’m pretty sure they sent Newhan and Johnson down to make room for Ledee and Green. So Gomez is still with the team. I think Willie wants at least one really good corner outfielder on the team since Endy is down. So Gomez may stick for awhile.

By: Steve C.

Steve C. — Fri, 15 Jun 2007 15:38:51 +0000

green is back. and actually looking better for it.

By: Steve C.

Steve C. — Fri, 15 Jun 2007 15:38:12 +0000

Ledee

By: Gail

Gail — Fri, 15 Jun 2007 15:34:20 +0000

Steve, they sent Gomez down? Who did they callup to take his place?

By: Ed in Westchester

Ed in Westchester — Fri, 15 Jun 2007 15:32:37 +0000

John – any word on Dave Williams? Is he close to a return?

He could replace Sele.

As for soft or not, I tend to agree with TLC. Early last year Met pitchers were going inside a lot, especially early in the year. This year, not so much. Ollie shuold pitch inside, he has the heat for it.

I’m not a big fan of brawls, but I would like to see Ollie fire the boys up with some close heat to Damon right off the bat. Send a message.

And I want Jose to drag one his first time up.

And if Roger does anything, I want Jeter to pay.