There’s been nothing consistent about the Mets’ batting order this spring. David Wright hit fifth last year, but has hit in the second slot more than expected.
Is this the best spot for him or should he stay fifth and protect Carlos Delgado?
To be honost, I personally feel that in the end it doesn’t matter where Wright hits. It doesn’t matter if he’s batting 2nd or 5th.
But at the same time, I actually like the move of having Wright 2nd. Despite what the popular belief is, Wright sees alot more pitches than Lo Duca. Wright has said that if he bats 2nd he will not change his approach at the plate, so that’s a good thing.
David Wright is an OBP machine that goes the other way and has really good gap power.
And to be honost, a trait people like about Lo Duca is that “he gives himself up” for Reyes. I think that’s ridiculous. Since when is giving up outs a good and positive thing?
I’d MUCH rather have Reyes at 1st base with 0 outs with Wright, Beltran, and Delgado coming up, than Reyes at 2nd base with 1 out and Beltran, Delgado, Wright coming up, with the possiblity of Wright not even making an appearence that inning.
I think he should really bat fifth. He’s such a good RBI guy. I understand the theory behind batting him second but I just don’t agree with it. I don’t think Wright batting second is a significant improvement over LoDuca batting in that position. LoDuca does pretty much the same thing that Wright will. I know the stat geeks would disagree, but I think Wright in the second slot actually weakens the middle of the line-up. With Beltran and Delgado in front of him there is bound to be someone on base for David to drive in. His bat, with Alou batting sixth, makes for a formidable RBI threat and power threat in the middle of the order and is much more difficult to pitch around.
In short, why fix what isn’t broken?
I THINK WHEN ALOU IS IN THE LINEUP WRIGHT SHOULD BAT SECOND AND ALOU CAN PROTECT DELGADO.
WHEN ALOUS IS RESTING WRIGHT SHOULD HIT 5TH TO PROTECT DELGADO.
against lefties Alou will be a fine replacement for Wright in the 5 hole, not so much against RHP’s
A – Reyes, Wright, Beltran, Delgado, Alou, Green/Johnson, LoDuca, Easley.
B – Reyes, Milledge, Beltran, Delgado, Wright, Alou, LoDuca, Easley.
I think B would be much more productive in the long run. If Milledge doesnt make the team I can see Wright hitting #2 against lefties being the best option.
LEave him 5th. Wright strikes out more then LoDuca and time after time last year I remember LoDuca doing the little things to move Reyes over.
Wright should hit second without question. Simple answer- he has a much higher OBP.
I lean towards the two hole. He’ll see more at bats…and a ton more fast balls when Reyes is on. And when Reyes doesn’t get on, Wright’s ability to take pitches and go the other way will help prevent a quick one-two-three inning.
Anthony, Wright may strike out more than Lo Duca but he also makes less outs, which is the goal, isn’t it? Make innings long by not making outs, not making outs leads to scoring runs.
And Wright batting 2nd will get his RBI’s, he’s an excellent hitter and will get his RBI’s regardless.
Alfonso Soriano on that bad Nationals team, batting leadoff STILL managed to get 90+ RBI’s…
I like him in the second spot – remember, the closer you are to the lead off man, the more At Bats you get and with David being a very versatile player, this suits him.
I think Lo Duca is more valuable to the Mets batting second than anywhere else in the order. Moreover, the batting order seems less imposing to me once we get past Alou, so that argues for Wright batting fifth as well. I disagree with my buddy Benny that Wright will get his RBI’s regardless of where he bats – well, yes, he’ll get his ribbies, but he’ll get more of them batting behind Reyes, LoDuca, Beltran & Delgade than just hitting behind Reyes. In any case, I think Willie has already decided, so this is all just idle chat.
For me, the biggest consideration in favor of keeping Lo Duca in the 2 hole is that his offensive value plummets in any other position in the lineup, whereas Wright will be productive wherever he hits. If you bat Lo Duca 5, 6, or 7 I think won’t give you enough offense. The 2 spot is perfectly adapted to his offensive abilities.
Unless the other factors are very compelling, I think the best offensive players should be near the top of the order.
Wright is one of the best offensive players in the lineup. Lo Duca is one of the worst.
If Wright bats second, he’ll get approximately 45-50 more plate appearances over the course of the year. That’s a good thing.
I still think (though I may be the only one left) that there’s a case to be made for Beltran in the 2-hole. Yes, I know, he hits a lot of homers, but he’s also a high fastball hitter (unusual for a lefty, but he is.) The high fastball is the only partial defense against Reyes stealing second, so pick your poison. This would also give him more opportunity to run himself, whereas now, you want to keep him at first (when he’s on) to open up the hole and mitigate the shift against Delgado.
Having said all of that… Wright in the 2-hole is interesting, and he’s probably a pretty good choice there. He will see more fastballs than he does hitting 5th. It’s no accident that LoDuca hit a career high .318 in that spot last season. You can’t even entirely stop throwing fastballs to the Mets’ #2 hitter after Reyes steals second, because he’s likely to take third on you, even with no one out.
Vs. Lefties: Reyes, Wright, Beltran, Delgado (four legit pre-season mvp candidates. wow, just wow), Alou, Milledge, LoDuca, 2B, Pitcher.
Another idea that no one is considering is that while Wright is not nearly as fast as Reyes, he is much faster than LoDuca. He will not clog the bases up for Beltran.
personally i like wright 2nd. loduca would be better rested hitting 8th and trying to keep the pitcher from leading off the next inning. i do agree with those who say if alou is out wright has to drop behind delgado though.
Wright will get more at-bats in the 2-hole. That’s reason enough. But the fact that Reyes is a walking, talking RBI opportunity makes it a near lock.
Besides, if Lo Duca takes a step back offensively this season (a reasonable assumption given his strong year last year and aging catcher status), wouldn’t it be prudent to slide him down a bit?
Acoustic, I agree….Wright, Alou, Green, Valentin, P is much better bottom of the order then Alou, LoDuca, Green, Valentin, P.
If Wright bats second, after Alou the bottom of our lineup is a bunch of singles hitters.
Alright guys. We’re all baseball fans and more importantly, Mets’ fans. We all want what’s best for the team, so let’s look at the numbers. The following is from 2006.
Their OBP isn’t that much different, their BA is nearly the same, Wright has more hits but LoDuca has less strikeouts. It basically comes down to who you want protecting Delgado: Alou or Wright? And when Alou gets injured in May, then what do you do?
It ain’t broke. LoDuca at 2, Wright at 5.
If Omar’s reasoning for getting a right handed bat in Alou was to protect Wright, then what sense does it make in putting Wright at the two spot. Crunch the numbers any way you’d like, it still doesn’t change the fact that Mets did not have a problem scoring runs last year. no reason to change it. Plus, Alou and Delgado back to back will clog the bases. Let’s not even mention Green and his “speed following Alou.”
Bat Wright 2nd. Here are a few reasons why:
Re. David as an RBI guy:
If Reyes can rack up 80 RBIs from the lead-off spot, then D-W can pick them up from the 2 hole. There will be plenty of ducks on the pond for D. Consider that the Mets will have a decent #8 hitter, and many pinch #9 hitters.
Letting Reyes run:
D-W is the best 2 strike hitter on the team. That gives Hosey plenty of pitches to run on. #5 also takes the ball to the opposite field well – with power – which is perfect for moving Reyes up.
D-W might strike out more than Paullie Ballgame but he isn’t nearly as likely to ground into a double play.
Extending the lineup:
This might make the 6-8 hitters a bit weaker but it makes the 9-5 hitters just that much more powerful.
with Wright batting 2nd, the lineup is much more balanced throughout:
As opposed to
You also want to put someone fast behind paulie. That’ll diminish some double plays. Valentin is a perfect option for that. This also moves Green up behind Alou – another good fit.
I would bat Wright fifth as long as Alou hits enough to afford him protection. Wright had no protecction last year hitting fifth. LoDuca in second slot worked well enough last year. Why disturb success?
I actually think that Wright’s stikeouts argue more for LoDuca as the two hitter BMC. Think of how many times DW will be required to swing to protect the basestealer. LoDuca’s low strikeout rate make him an ideal two hitter and as shown above, LoDuca’s OBP was not far off from DW’s. Reyes may have driven in 80 as a leadoff hitter, but Wright managed way more batting fifth. That number likely declines batting second.
Big Pud is slow “singles hitting machine” which translates to he sucks. d wright is one of the best all around hitters in baseball. hmmm… who should bat higher in the line up? EFFING DUH.
line up hardly affects the game the way we fans like to obsess over it because its makes for interesting discussion but if you really think lo duca is anything you want at the 2 hole you are an idiot or blinding by some big pud infatuation (which would include big willie so its not that horrible of a thing).
5th. the lineup is much deeper that way.
Wow, so PLD hits .318 and is referred to as “Big Pud”. He also had 39 doubles last year. Just so you know, those are better than singles. He may not hit Home Runs, but that is not required hitting behind Reyes.
Let’s see, PLD hit second last year, and the team won 97 games. He hit the aforementioned .318, with a .355 OBP. Yea, that didn’t work out at all.
So tell me Ken, who exactly is the idiot?
Oh, and considering your use of “Big Pud” twice in the same post, methinks you may be the one with the infatuation.
There’s nothing like reading a post where someone starts off by saying the issue at-hand is NOT a big deal THEN proceeds to call everyone an idiot that disagrees with his/her position on it.
Reyes got himself into scoring position 100 times last year. He doesn’t need the help. Wright has a higher OBP than LoDuca meaning he’s on more for big bats. Also, as #2 in the order he’ll get up another 30 times a year. That can make a difference in a game or two, which in a tight race can be a lot.
The idea of protection is overrated. Delgado was a great hitter with no protection in years past.
This is simple. Bat Wright fifth when LoDuca starts (this keeps the lineup’s length and gives good protection for Delgado and keeps Alou’s protection for DWright. – and keeps LoDuca in his perfect spot in the 2 hole (he is NO 6th place hitter).
When Castro starts at catcher (once a week, going by last year), bat DWright 2nd – see how it goes.
If it ain’t broke don’t fix it; we should leave well and good alone and not weaken the lineup after the 5th spot.
Moving Lo Duca down changes the entire perception of the lineup from powerhouse all the way through, to one the opposition need not mightily fear after the 5th spot. The switching of just two players can do that and I believe it does here.
In addition, it’s also a slower lineup with our faster players and those most likely to steal, bunched 1-3, rather than 1-5, followed by players who are at least average in speed, if not even a bit faster. Lo Duca placed lower down, slows what is not our best speed.
Furthermore, after Beltran, the lineup will consist of players at least 34 years and older.
If Randolph insists hitting Wright second which seems to be the case, Then I fully agree with Mike C. and think that’s the best approach.
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