The Mets had their chances, but they couldn’t fight off winter. Eleven runners on base more than sums up the night. Short and sour now, why aren’t the Mets in Detroit? Don’t be shy in your analysis.
To me it is very simple. They pressed too much at the plate and didn’t hit well. That’s it. I don’t believe that Suppan or Weaver pitched particularly well against them. Their pitches didn’t have great movement or velocity or location. Suppan changed speeds well but didn’t do anything else particularly well. The Mets hitters were just tight. Plain and simple. It was like watching them in the few times during the season when they were struggling.
I’m sick to my stomach. I’m gonna eat something greasy to dull the pain.
Anonymous
The biggest disappointment in franchise history, especially given the way Oliver Perez pitched his butt off. The shorthanded starting rotation was supposed to be their undoing, and instead it ended up being their supposed strengths: offense and the bullpen.
If this had happened in the World Series, it would be easier to look back on this season positively. But the Mets were much better than the Cardinals and should have beaten them, especially since the rotation did far better than expected. So to blow the pennant like the Mets did tonight really takes something away from what else happened this year.
dan
not getting at least one run with bases loaded in the sixth was probably the downfall. I dont blame the pitching,i think it falls more on the offense. I thought game 7 sepecifically just showed really bad situational hitting. whats done is done.
Joan
Hi John –
Why aren’t the Mets in Detroit?
I’m going back to the All Star Game when David Wright competed in the Home Run Derby. He was never the same player/hitter after that…
jk
St. Louis had better pitching. Wagner benched for game 7 is not a good thing for the Mets. A healthier, more experienced ‘08 team will make it to the WS.
JoeC
I don’t know, but what I do know is that it has absolutely nothing with Wright participating in the home run derby. Go bake a pie Joan.
Anonymous
Not taking the bat off his shoulders with 2 strikes, 2 outs, bases loaded, 9th inning, game 7 of the NLCS is just unforgivable. Beltran isn’t cut out for NY.
Anonymous
John,
Enjoyed reading the blog all year and enjoyed your response to my comments and others. Have a nice offseason and expect to be blogging on the NLCS next year as well.
Larry
Anonymous
I agree with everyone here. The bats died.
But it is also the pitching. The cards should not have beaten us but they did.
Overall I am really not that disappointed. The Mets had a great season. We need to revamp the pitching staff in the offseason and get some depth in the OF. Also decide if Valentine was a one year wonder.
The post season was good for them. Hopefully they spend the winter thinking of what didnt happen and come back more focused next year.
John,
What do you think they will do this offseason. I was thinking of it and don’t think they need to make that many moves as bad as the pitching has been. Will they move Heilman to the rotation? They cant say they need him there now. We have many choices in the pen now.
They could package some people and try and bring in a stud which is what they really need.
Dave
Steve C
listen i didnt like beltran when he first came over cause he wanted more money to honor us wiuth his presence…
got the money then did squat.. then he finally woke up and what?! cost us the pennant. i smell a conspiracy.. i think he lost on purpose…
but that is just me moaning and groaning…
You can point to a dozen ``what ifs,’’ as to why they didn’t win, but in looking at the broad picture, they didn’t hit in the series. That’s as bottom line as you can get. They were outscored 28-27 in the seven games, which means just another hit or two changes everything.
Bottom line … they didn’t hit. That’s why they lost. Even with the games the bullpen did poorly, Game 2 and 5, and Heilman last night, it was good enough to win.
As far as being the biggest disappointment in franchise history, well, you could be right. They weren’t going to beat the Yankees in 2006. When you’re favored and lose, well, that has to hurt more.
They left 11 runners on base last night. That’s really hard to do considering they only had four hits. Getting that many base runners is a good sign. It means they worked the pitcher for walks. They just didn’t do last night what they did all season—- hit when it mattered.
Valentin a one-year wonder is a question they have to ask. As far as the offseason, I’ll be writing a lot on that in the coming days, but for now, here are the issues:
1. Adding a veteran arm or two to the rotation.
2. Keeping the bullpen intact.
3. Deciding on left field. Milledge isn’t ready; Floyd will have surgery and won’t be ready by spring training; and they must decide whether Chavez is a role player.
4. Bring back Valentin or replace him.
By the way, your point on Heilman is very good. He wants to start, but the Mets are reluctant. They have young arms in the rotation, so they might want to keep him in the pen, or they could package him.
Wright wasn’t the same player in the second half. I’m not sold on the HR Derby theory. He’s still a young player with peaks and valleys. Being young, we’re still trying to guage what to expect. He had a hot first half and was off in the second. But, what if he had the same numbers with more consistent year. Would we then be worrying about him? It is the hot-and-cold that has people concerned.
Mark
I just had to comment on this. Me and my friend went bananas when Chavez caught the ball. I predicted that the Mets would take control of the game in the btm of the 6th, but once that didn’t happen, I was waiting for the end.
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To me it is very simple. They pressed too much at the plate and didn’t hit well. That’s it. I don’t believe that Suppan or Weaver pitched particularly well against them. Their pitches didn’t have great movement or velocity or location. Suppan changed speeds well but didn’t do anything else particularly well. The Mets hitters were just tight. Plain and simple. It was like watching them in the few times during the season when they were struggling.
I’m sick to my stomach. I’m gonna eat something greasy to dull the pain.
The biggest disappointment in franchise history, especially given the way Oliver Perez pitched his butt off. The shorthanded starting rotation was supposed to be their undoing, and instead it ended up being their supposed strengths: offense and the bullpen.
If this had happened in the World Series, it would be easier to look back on this season positively. But the Mets were much better than the Cardinals and should have beaten them, especially since the rotation did far better than expected. So to blow the pennant like the Mets did tonight really takes something away from what else happened this year.
not getting at least one run with bases loaded in the sixth was probably the downfall. I dont blame the pitching,i think it falls more on the offense. I thought game 7 sepecifically just showed really bad situational hitting. whats done is done.
Hi John –
Why aren’t the Mets in Detroit?
I’m going back to the All Star Game when David Wright competed in the Home Run Derby. He was never the same player/hitter after that…
St. Louis had better pitching. Wagner benched for game 7 is not a good thing for the Mets. A healthier, more experienced ‘08 team will make it to the WS.
I don’t know, but what I do know is that it has absolutely nothing with Wright participating in the home run derby. Go bake a pie Joan.
Not taking the bat off his shoulders with 2 strikes, 2 outs, bases loaded, 9th inning, game 7 of the NLCS is just unforgivable. Beltran isn’t cut out for NY.
John,
Enjoyed reading the blog all year and enjoyed your response to my comments and others. Have a nice offseason and expect to be blogging on the NLCS next year as well.
Larry
I agree with everyone here. The bats died.
But it is also the pitching. The cards should not have beaten us but they did.
Overall I am really not that disappointed. The Mets had a great season. We need to revamp the pitching staff in the offseason and get some depth in the OF. Also decide if Valentine was a one year wonder.
The post season was good for them. Hopefully they spend the winter thinking of what didnt happen and come back more focused next year.
John,
What do you think they will do this offseason. I was thinking of it and don’t think they need to make that many moves as bad as the pitching has been. Will they move Heilman to the rotation? They cant say they need him there now. We have many choices in the pen now.
They could package some people and try and bring in a stud which is what they really need.
Dave
listen i didnt like beltran when he first came over cause he wanted more money to honor us wiuth his presence…
got the money then did squat.. then he finally woke up and what?! cost us the pennant. i smell a conspiracy.. i think he lost on purpose…
but that is just me moaning and groaning…
To Taylor …
You can point to a dozen ``what ifs,’’ as to why they didn’t win, but in looking at the broad picture, they didn’t hit in the series. That’s as bottom line as you can get. They were outscored 28-27 in the seven games, which means just another hit or two changes everything.
To Anon …
Bottom line … they didn’t hit. That’s why they lost. Even with the games the bullpen did poorly, Game 2 and 5, and Heilman last night, it was good enough to win.
As far as being the biggest disappointment in franchise history, well, you could be right. They weren’t going to beat the Yankees in 2006. When you’re favored and lose, well, that has to hurt more.
To Dan …
They left 11 runners on base last night. That’s really hard to do considering they only had four hits. Getting that many base runners is a good sign. It means they worked the pitcher for walks. They just didn’t do last night what they did all season—- hit when it mattered.
To SteveC …
About Beltran: Yeah, moaning and groaning. I’ll buy that. You know, of course, they don’t get to a Game 7 without him.
To Larry …
Thanks for your kind words. I’ll be blogging all winter, because there’s a lot going on. Hang around, because baseball is a 12-month-year sport now.
To Dave ….
Valentin a one-year wonder is a question they have to ask. As far as the offseason, I’ll be writing a lot on that in the coming days, but for now, here are the issues:
1. Adding a veteran arm or two to the rotation.
2. Keeping the bullpen intact.
3. Deciding on left field. Milledge isn’t ready; Floyd will have surgery and won’t be ready by spring training; and they must decide whether Chavez is a role player.
4. Bring back Valentin or replace him.
By the way, your point on Heilman is very good. He wants to start, but the Mets are reluctant. They have young arms in the rotation, so they might want to keep him in the pen, or they could package him.
To Joan …
Wright wasn’t the same player in the second half. I’m not sold on the HR Derby theory. He’s still a young player with peaks and valleys. Being young, we’re still trying to guage what to expect. He had a hot first half and was off in the second. But, what if he had the same numbers with more consistent year. Would we then be worrying about him? It is the hot-and-cold that has people concerned.
I just had to comment on this. Me and my friend went bananas when Chavez caught the ball. I predicted that the Mets would take control of the game in the btm of the 6th, but once that didn’t happen, I was waiting for the end.